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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]> wrote: Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. It's a matter of effort. This change seems to be too much simpler compared to performance one. If the problems for performance were easy it would have been already fixed.
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+1 for getting perfomance better.
Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Re: Experiences with 10342
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For me it has no sense to make different themes for different platform. What I would do, at least in this case, is to make the part of the theme that shows the windows control, platform dependent (like swapMouseButtons).
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It is entirely possible... Personally I'd like to
hold off introducing any more preferences until we've all migrated to
settings...
Regards, Gary
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Gary,
I think the correct answer is to have "meta theme" that does the expected thing on each platform. If that is the selected theme, then it notes the platform and tries to adapt, but it still allows a user to choose a specific theme for performance, personal preference, etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Chambers Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 +1 for getting perfomance better. Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Good answer... easily done.
Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > Gary, > > I think the correct answer is to have "meta theme" that does the expected > thing on each platform. If that is the selected theme, then it notes the > platform and tries to adapt, but it still allows a user to choose a > specific theme for performance, personal preference, etc. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary > Chambers > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:24 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > +1 for getting perfomance better. > Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, > sluggishness before image save. > I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a > bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process > broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). > > Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select > the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme > each startup... > > Just a few thoughts. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use > any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes > to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes > is > selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>: >>> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >>> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). >> >> It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! >> In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a >> windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on >> the right. >> So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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