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Göran Krampe

Files in trunk?!

Hi guys!

Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:

http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M

...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?

IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?

Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.

Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we
explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and
be on the edge?

Feeling like a damn n00b here.

regards, Göran

Wolfgang Eder

Re: Files in trunk?!

On 21.05.2010 14:56, Göran Krampe wrote:

> Hi guys!
>
> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M
>
> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>
> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?

hi goran,
iirc andreas first released 4.1 as 4.1.1, and after
people complained made another release called 4.1.
so 4.1.1 should be removed/ignored.
the next version is expected (at least by me)
to be called 4.2 or 5.0.
>
> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.
>
> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we
> explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and
> be on the edge?

open preferences/monticello/updateurl

cheers,
wolfgang

>
> Feeling like a damn n00b here.
>
> regards, Göran
>
>

Enrico Schwass-2

Re: Files in trunk?!

In reply to this post by Göran Krampe

Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> writes:

Typing 'url' in search field of preference browser will point you to the
right place

bye
Enno

> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M
>
> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>
> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?
>
> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.
>
> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we
> explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates"
> and be on the edge?
>
> Feeling like a damn n00b here.
>
> regards, Göran

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Files in trunk?!

In reply to this post by Göran Krampe

On 21.05.2010, at 14:56, Göran Krampe wrote:

>
> Hi guys!
>
> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M
>
> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>
> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?
>
> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.

Indeed. This directory needs serious cleanup.

How about moving all those pre-releases to some place inside the 4.1 directory?

> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and be on the edge?

We should put a fully updated Squeak-Trunk.zip there that has the proper update url set already. Anyone up for it? Would be nice to update regularly too.

- Bert -

Göran Krampe

Re: Files in trunk?!

On 05/21/2010 03:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> On 21.05.2010, at 14:56, Göran Krampe wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys!
>>
>> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
>> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
>> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M
>>
>> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>>
>> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?
>>
>> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.
>
> Indeed. This directory needs serious cleanup.
>
> How about moving all those pre-releases to some place inside the 4.1 directory?
>
>> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and be on the edge?
>
> We should put a fully updated Squeak-Trunk.zip there that has the proper update url set already. Anyone up for it? Would be nice to update regularly too.

We could *begin* by explaining on the Download page on squeak.org that:

How to get onto Trunk:

1. Download 4.1
2. Open Preferences, set url to blablabla.
3. Hit "Load Updates".

That would have done the trick nicely for me.

regards, Göran

Igor Stasenko

Re: Files in trunk?!

2010/5/21 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]>:

> On 05/21/2010 03:20 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>> On 21.05.2010, at 14:56, Göran Krampe wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys!
>>>
>>> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>>>
>>> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
>>> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
>>> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M
>>>
>>> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>>>
>>> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?
>>>
>>> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.
>>
>> Indeed. This directory needs serious cleanup.
>>
>> How about moving all those pre-releases to some place inside the 4.1
>> directory?
>>
>>> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we
>>> explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and be
>>> on the edge?
>>
>> We should put a fully updated Squeak-Trunk.zip there that has the proper
>> update url set already. Anyone up for it? Would be nice to update regularly
>> too.
>
> We could *begin* by explaining on the Download page on squeak.org that:
>
> How to get onto Trunk:
>
> 1. Download 4.1
> 2. Open Preferences, set url to blablabla.
> 3. Hit "Load Updates".
>
> That would have done the trick nicely for me.
>

Yeah, i didn't knew about it too , and has to dig through Utilities /
MCMmcUpdater ..
and set it manually :)

> regards, Göran
>
>

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

dcorking

Re: Files in trunk?!

In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg

Bert wrote:

>> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we explain how
>> to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and be on the edge?

> We should put a fully updated Squeak-Trunk.zip there that has the proper
> update url set already. Anyone up for it? Would be nice to update regularly too.

Bert is too modest to say that this is the kind of trunk image he
recently made for Etoys. It works a treat, and neatly sidesteps any
need to scrabble around for the latest instructions. (
http://etoys.squeak.org/download/ )

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Files in trunk?!

Administrator

I made Squeak-Trunk.zip:
1. Image from http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.1.zip
2. Update url pointed to trunk
3. Updated to 10154

It's too big to attach here. Where should I send it?

Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Files in trunk?!

On 21.05.2010, at 17:42, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
>
>
> I made Squeak-Trunk.zip:
> 1. Image from http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.1.zip
> 2. Update url pointed to trunk
> 3. Updated to 10154
>
> It's too big to attach here. Where should I send it?

Just upload it somewhere and share the url.

- Bert -

Levente Uzonyi-2

Re: Files in trunk?!

In reply to this post by Sean P. DeNigris

On Fri, 21 May 2010, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

>
> I made Squeak-Trunk.zip:
> 1. Image from http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/Squeak4.1.zip
> 2. Update url pointed to trunk
> 3. Updated to 10154
>
> It's too big to attach here. Where should I send it?

Evaluating [Smalltalk cleanUp: false] may be a good idea as the last step
to reduce the size of the image.

Levente

>
> Sean
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Files-in-trunk-tp2226107p2226340.html
> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Files in trunk?!

Administrator

It's up at http://seandenigris.com/files/Squeak-Trunk.zip

Levente Uzonyi-2 wrote

Evaluating [Smalltalk cleanUp: false] may be a good idea as the last step
to reduce the size of the image.

I didn't do this, but I will if that's what we want.

Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Andreas.Raab

Re: Files in trunk?!

In reply to this post by Göran Krampe

On 5/21/2010 5:56 AM, Göran Krampe wrote:
> Hi guys!
>
> Ok, perhaps I am just DAFT but what is this:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/
> Squeak4.1.1.zip 15-Apr-2010 05:15 13M
> Squeak4.1.zip 18-Apr-2010 00:22 13M

Sorry 'bout that. I hadn't cleaned out the trunk directory after the
release. It's empty now and I'll either put up Sean's version or I'll
make a new trunk image on the weekend.

Cheers,
- Andreas

> ...and firing up those images show that 4.1 is 9957 and 4.1.1 is... 9938?
>
> IMHO any normal person would think that 4.1.1 is *newer* than 4.1, right?
>
> Perhaps this has been discussed at lenght - but this is just confusing.
>
> Also, I can't for my life figure out how to "track trunk". Where do we
> explain how to get onto trunk? So that I can just hit "Load updates" and
> be on the edge?
>
> Feeling like a damn n00b here.
>
> regards, Göran
>
>