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abergel

Font problem is getting worse...

Hi!

We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:

This is really a pity.

This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,

Alexandre

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Tudor Girba-2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

Indeed. I noticed this, too.

But, I do not know what to do about it.

Just to avoid going in the tool issue again. Could you reproduce this problem on a plain Pharo3 + Roassal image? Then we can announce the image on the Pharo mailing list and see if we can get help.

Cheers,

Doru

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi!

We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:

This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,
Alexandre
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Uko2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?

Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.

Uko

On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi!

We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>

This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,
Alexandre
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jfabry

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(

On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
>
> Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
>
> Uko
>
> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>
>> This is really a pity.
>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
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Uko2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

Yes, that’s why I’ve wrote that labels are important anyway.

Uko

On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:57, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I see what you mean, but Spec is not the solution for all these issues. Sometimes you need labels on nodes or edges and these suffer from the same font issues :-(
>
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
>>
>> Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
>>
>> Uko
>>
>> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>>
>>> This is really a pity.
>>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
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abergel

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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> Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?

Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.

Alexandre

>
> Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
>
> Uko
>
> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>
>> This is really a pity.
>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
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Uko2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

On 07 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?

Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.

Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.

Uko

Alexandre

Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.

Uko

On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi!

We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>

This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,
Alexandre
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abergel

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

Ok

Alexandre

On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 07 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>> Maybe there is a reason to use Spec and Pharo UI for drop down lists and buttons?
>>
>> Sure, we highly welcome the effort to integrate Roassal in Spec. A menu in Roassal is simply a label that has a callback behind. Much much simpler than what Spec offers.
>
> Yes, I know. I’m just pushing towards rich infrastructure. I think I’ll try to do something similar in spec, and let you know if it will work.
>
> Uko
>
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Labels is Rossal are important without a doubt, but for me, Roassal is graph builder, not UI builder.
>>>
>>> Uko
>>>
>>> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>>>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>>>
>>>> This is really a pity.
>>>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alexandre
>>>> --
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Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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>Just to avoid going in the tool issue again. Could you reproduce this problem on a plain Pharo3 + Roassal image?
>Then we can announce the image on the Pharo mailing list and see if we can get help.

In a 30851, with the 355 vm (Mavericks), opened a workspace,

Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'ObjectProfile'
project: 'Roassal2';
package: 'ConfigurationOfRoassal2';
load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2) load

loaded an old version of Roassal2

If I open RoassalExamples in the world menu, I get a red window.

Opening the settings, unselecting and reselecting FreeType
doesn't help.
Setting the standard font to Helvetica Neue and using that as default font for
everything makes Roassal2 work.

Stephan

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Tudor Girba-2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

Thanks, but that is not the bug we are talking about.

After loading the true type fonts (e.g., "Source Sans Pro" in the Moose image), you get problems when rendering labels in Athens using Roassal. Somehow this is not always reproducible. That is what we need to capture.

Cheers,

Doru

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Just to avoid going in the tool issue again. Could you reproduce this problem on a plain Pharo3 + Roassal image?
>Then we can announce the image on the Pharo mailing list and see if we can get help.

In a 30851, with the 355 vm (Mavericks), opened a workspace,

Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'ObjectProfile'
project: 'Roassal2';
package: 'ConfigurationOfRoassal2';
load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2) load

loaded an old version of Roassal2

If I open RoassalExamples in the world menu, I get a red window.

Opening the settings, unselecting and reselecting FreeType
doesn't help.
Setting the standard font to Helvetica Neue and using that as default font for
everything makes Roassal2 work.

Stephan

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Uko2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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Can you also tell me where I can find this view?

Uko

On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi!

We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
<Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>

This is really a pity.
This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,
Alexandre
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abergel

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu

Alexandre

On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
>
> Uko
>
> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>
>> This is really a pity.
>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
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Uko2

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to try to recreate it with spec widgets.

Uko

On 08 Jul 2014, at 17:33, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
>
> Alexandre
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
>>
>> Uko
>>
>> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>>
>>> This is really a pity.
>>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>> --
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Goubier Thierry

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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Alexandre, would that work if we use two different FreeType fonts: one
for Morphic, one for Roassal?

I remember Igor saying something about font caching problems.

Thierry

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Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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You can have a look at RTMenuBuilder.
The example I’ve sent in the email is part of a personal project.

Alexandre

On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No, the one that you’ve added to your email. I want to try to recreate it with spec widgets.
>
> Uko
>
> On 08 Jul 2014, at 17:33, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Which view? To see the font problem? Just open the Roassal example browser, available from the world menu
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you also tell me where I can find this view?
>>>
>>> Uko
>>>
>>> On 07 Jul 2014, at 14:26, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:
>>>> <Screen Shot 2014-07-07 at 8.23.57 AM.png>
>>>>
>>>> This is really a pity.
>>>> This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alexandre
>>>> --
>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
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stepharo

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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We get this in a fresh moose image, on OSX:

This is really a pity.

This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

do you think that it will solve your problem? I do not think so. I will just make the system more complex. You should not have a direct dependency to SDL else you will break the idea behind OS window.
What will happen if the platform does not have SDL installed like my machine?
The solution is to try to get a reproducible case else how can we try to fix when it does not happen on our machines
and also to try to see if using a different fonts is actually resolving the problems.

Stef

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stepharo

Re: Font problem is getting worse...

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Alex please pay attention that your end-users should not be impacted by the different libraries you will be using
For example I doubt that synectique want to impose to its clients to install SDL2.
So this would kill Roassal for us.

Stef

This is really a pity.

This problem is so important, that we may directly output a roassal visualization in a separate window, bypassing Athens and directly using Cairo on SDL.

Cheers,

Alexandre

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