Force lowercase for attributes

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> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the following
> > change?
> >
> > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> >   valueString ifNotNil:
> >      [self attributes
> >            at: keyString asLowercase
> >            put: valueString]
>
> Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The problem
> is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are lowercase that
> is not true for all XML like RSS.
>
> Philippe
>
> > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered the
> list
> > with it ;)
> >
> > This ensure that code like,
> >
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
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>  Cheers!
>
>  -Boris
>  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>
>  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
>  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
>  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes, depending on
>  > application's configuration?
>
>  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
>
>  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I thought I
>  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something or do you
>  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
>
>  Philippe
>
>  > -Boris
>  >
>  > --
>  > +1.604.689.0322
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>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: [hidden email]
>  > [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of
>  > Philippe Marschall
>  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
>  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
>  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>  >
>  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the following
>  > > change?
>  > >
>  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
>  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
>  > >      [self attributes
>  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
>  > >            put: valueString]
>  >
>  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The problem
>  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are lowercase that
>  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
>  >
>  > Philippe
>  >
>  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered the
>  > list
>  > > with it ;)
>  > >
>  > > This ensure that code like,
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > -Boris
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > +1.604.689.0322
>  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
>  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
>  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
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> Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not separate
> the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web standards.
>
>  Cheers!
>
>  -Boris
>  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>
>  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
>  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
>  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body, it was
> cased
>  > like that and failed validation,
>
>  Got that sucker.
>
>  > but my point was that so long as protocol
>  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no matter what.
>  > Isn't xml just a superset of xhtml?
>
>  It is. So attribute names are case-sensitive. But keep in mind that
>  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack that
>  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
>  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
>
>  > I was advocation for facilities to
>  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
>
>  They have both the very same ruleset:
>  attribute names are case-sensitive
>  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
>
>  Philippe
>
>  >  Cheers!
>  >
>  >  -Boris
>  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>  >
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: [hidden email]
>  > <[hidden email]>
>  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
>  > <[hidden email]>
>  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
>  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>  >
>  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes, depending on
>  >  > application's configuration?
>  >
>  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
>  >
>  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I thought I
>  >  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something or do you
>  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
>  >
>  >  Philippe
>  >
>  >  > -Boris
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > +1.604.689.0322
>  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
>  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
>  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
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>  >  > From: [hidden email]
>  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On
>  > Behalf Of
>  >  > Philippe Marschall
>  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
>  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
>  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>  >  >
>  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the
> following
>  >  > > change?
>  >  > >
>  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
>  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
>  >  > >      [self attributes
>  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
>  >  > >            put: valueString]
>  >  >
>  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The problem
>  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are lowercase that
>  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
>  >  >
>  >  > Philippe
>  >  >
>  >  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered the
>  >  > list
>  >  > > with it ;)
>  >  > >
>  >  > > This ensure that code like,
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > > -Boris
>  >  > >
>  >  > > --
>  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
>  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
>  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
>  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
>  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>  >  > >
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>
>  Cheers!
>
>  -Boris
>  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]>
>  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> <[hidden email]>
>  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
>  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
>  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body, it

>  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
>  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
>
>  > I was advocation for facilities to
>  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
>
>  They have both the very same ruleset:
>  attribute names are case-sensitive
>  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
>
>  Philippe
>
>  >  Cheers!
>  >
>  >  -Boris
>  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
>  >
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>  >  From: [hidden email]
>  > <[hidden email]>
>  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
>  > <[hidden email]>
>  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
>  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>  >
>  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,

>  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
>  >
>  >  Philippe
>  >
>  >  > -Boris
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > +1.604.689.0322
>  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
>  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
>  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
>  >  > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>  >  >
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>  >  > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
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>  >  > Thank you.
>  >  >
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>  >  > From: [hidden email]
>  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On
>  > Behalf Of
>  >  > Philippe Marschall
>  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
>  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general

>  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>  >  >
>  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
>  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the
> following
>  >  > > change?
>  >  > >
>  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
>  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
>  >  > >      [self attributes
>  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
>  >  > >            put: valueString]
>  >  >
>  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The

>  >  > list
>  >  > > with it ;)
>  >  > >
>  >  > > This ensure that code like,
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > > -Boris
>  >  > >
>  >  > > --
>  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
>  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
>  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
>  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
>  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>  >  > >
>  >  > > [hidden email]
>  >  > >
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>  >  > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
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>  >  > >
>  >  > > Thank you.
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> Either way, this thread has deviated way far from the path I was on
> originally so I'll let it go as I have no way to contribute changes
> directly to Squeak codebase and trying to convince someone else to do
> the work just doesn't seem to be working out, understandably so, by the
> way.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Boris
>
> --
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> DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> 4th floor 595 Howe Street
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 AM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you say its transitional?
>
> Because WAHtmlRoot >> #initialize says so and we still have support
> for deprecated attributes.
>
> Philippe
>
> > Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> > integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not
> separate
> > the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web
> standards.
> >
> >  Cheers!
> >
> >  -Boris
> >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: [hidden email]
> > <[hidden email]>
> >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > <[hidden email]>
> >  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
> >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >
> >  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body, it
> was
> > cased
> >  > like that and failed validation,
> >
> >  Got that sucker.
> >
> >  > but my point was that so long as protocol
> >  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no matter
> what.
> >  > Isn't xml just a superset of xhtml?
> >
> >  It is. So attribute names are case-sensitive. But keep in mind that
> >  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack
> that
> >  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
> >  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
> >
> >  > I was advocation for facilities to
> >  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
> >
> >  They have both the very same ruleset:
> >  attribute names are case-sensitive
> >  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
> >
> >  Philippe
> >
> >  >  Cheers!
> >  >
> >  >  -Boris
> >  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  >  From: [hidden email]
> >  > <[hidden email]>
> >  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> >  > <[hidden email]>
> >  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
> >  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >  >
> >  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,
> depending on
> >  >  > application's configuration?
> >  >
> >  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
> >  >
> >  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I thought
> I
> >  >  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something or do
> you
> >  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
> >  >
> >  >  Philippe
> >  >
> >  >  > -Boris
> >  >  >
> >  >  > --
> >  >  > +1.604.689.0322
> >  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> >  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> >  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> >  >  > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >  >  >
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >  > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >  >  >
> >  >  > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
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> >  >  > private and confidential. If you have received it in error,
> please
> >  >  > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> >  >  > attachments.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Thank you.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  >  > From: [hidden email]
> >  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On
> >  > Behalf Of
> >  >  > Philippe Marschall
> >  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
> >  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> discussion.
> >  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >  >  >
> >  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the
> > following
> >  >  > > change?
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> >  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
> >  >  > >      [self attributes
> >  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
> >  >  > >            put: valueString]
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The
> problem
> >  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are
> lowercase that
> >  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Philippe
> >  >  >
> >  >  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered
> the
> >  >  > list
> >  >  > > with it ;)
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > This ensure that code like,
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > -Boris
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > --
> >  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
> >  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> >  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> >  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> >  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > [hidden email]
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
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> that is
> >  >  > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error,
> please
> >  >  > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> >  >  > > attachments.
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > Thank you.
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > > [hidden email]
> >  >  > >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  >
> >  >  _______________________________________________
> >  >  Seaside mailing list
> >  >  [hidden email]
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  > [hidden email]
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >
> >  >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Seaside mailing list
> >  [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>

> way.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Boris
>
> --
> +1.604.689.0322
> DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>
> [hidden email]
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>
> This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 AM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you say its transitional?
>
> Because WAHtmlRoot >> #initialize says so and we still have support
> for deprecated attributes.
>
> Philippe
>
> > Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> > integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not
> separate
> > the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web
> standards.
> >
> >  Cheers!
> >
> >  -Boris
> >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: [hidden email]
> > <[hidden email]>
> >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > <[hidden email]>
> >  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
> >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >
> >  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body,

> was
> > cased
> >  > like that and failed validation,
> >
> >  Got that sucker.
> >
> >  > but my point was that so long as protocol
> >  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no matter
> what.
> >  > Isn't xml just a superset of xhtml?
> >
> >  It is. So attribute names are case-sensitive. But keep in mind that
> >  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack
> that
> >  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
> >  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
> >
> >  > I was advocation for facilities to
> >  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
> >
> >  They have both the very same ruleset:
> >  attribute names are case-sensitive
> >  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
> >
> >  Philippe
> >
> >  >  Cheers!
> >  >
> >  >  -Boris
> >  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  >  From: [hidden email]
> >  > <[hidden email]>
> >  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general

> >  > <[hidden email]>
> >  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
> >  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >  >
> >  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,
> depending on
> >  >  > application's configuration?
> >  >
> >  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
> >  >
> >  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I

> you
> >  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
> >  >
> >  >  Philippe
> >  >
> >  >  > -Boris
> >  >  >
> >  >  > --
> >  >  > +1.604.689.0322
> >  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> >  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> >  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> >  >  > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >  >  >
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >  > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >  >  >
> >  >  > This email is intended only for the persons named in the

> is
> >  >  > private and confidential. If you have received it in error,
> please
> >  >  > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> >  >  > attachments.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Thank you.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  >  > From: [hidden email]
> >  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > On
> >  > Behalf Of
> >  >  > Philippe Marschall
> >  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
> >  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> discussion.
> >  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >  >  >
> >  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> >  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the
> > following
> >  >  > > change?
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> >  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
> >  >  > >      [self attributes
> >  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
> >  >  > >            put: valueString]
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The
> problem
> >  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are
> lowercase that
> >  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Philippe
> >  >  >
> >  >  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have

> the
> >  >  > list
> >  >  > > with it ;)
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > This ensure that code like,
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > -Boris
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > --
> >  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
> >  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> >  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> >  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> >  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > [hidden email]
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
> message
> >  >  > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information
> that is
> >  >  > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error,
> please
> >  >  > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including

> >  >  > > attachments.
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > Thank you.
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > > [hidden email]
> >  >  > >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  > >
> >  >  > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  > _______________________________________________
> >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  >  > [hidden email]
> >  >  >
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >  >
> >  >  _______________________________________________
> >  >  Seaside mailing list
> >  >  [hidden email]
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > Seaside mailing list
> >  > [hidden email]
> >  >
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >  >
> >  >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Seaside mailing list
> >  [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> _______________________________________________
> Seaside mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
>

> Browser quirks such as treatment (or non-treatment, I
> should say) of text/xml don't play into this at all,
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Boris
>
> --
> +1.604.689.0322
> DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>
> [hidden email]
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>
> This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:17 AM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > But it still says XHTML, doesn't it? :)
>
> Doesn't matter a thing as long as the mime-type is:
> text/html
>
> > Either way, this thread has deviated way far from the path I was on
> > originally so I'll let it go as I have no way to contribute changes
> > directly to Squeak codebase and trying to convince someone else to do
> > the work just doesn't seem to be working out, understandably so, by
> the
> > way.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
> > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >
> > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> > attachments.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Philippe Marschall
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 AM
> > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >
> > 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you say its transitional?
> >
> > Because WAHtmlRoot >> #initialize says so and we still have support
> > for deprecated attributes.
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > > Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> > > integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not
> > separate
> > > the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web
> > standards.
> > >
> > >  Cheers!
> > >
> > >  -Boris
> > >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > >
> > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > >  From: [hidden email]
> > > <[hidden email]>
> > >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > > <[hidden email]>
> > >  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
> > >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >
> > >  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body,
> it
> > was
> > > cased
> > >  > like that and failed validation,
> > >
> > >  Got that sucker.
> > >
> > >  > but my point was that so long as protocol
> > >  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no matter
> > what.
> > >  > Isn't xml just a superset of xhtml?
> > >
> > >  It is. So attribute names are case-sensitive. But keep in mind that
> > >  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack
> > that
> > >  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
> > >  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
> > >
> > >  > I was advocation for facilities to
> > >  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
> > >
> > >  They have both the very same ruleset:
> > >  attribute names are case-sensitive
> > >  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
> > >
> > >  Philippe
> > >
> > >  >  Cheers!
> > >  >
> > >  >  -Boris
> > >  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >  ----- Original Message -----
> > >  >  From: [hidden email]
> > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > >  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> discussion.
> > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > >  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
> > >  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >  >
> > >  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,
> > depending on
> > >  >  > application's configuration?
> > >  >
> > >  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
> > >  >
> > >  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I
> thought
> > I
> > >  >  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something or
> do
> > you
> > >  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
> > >  >
> > >  >  Philippe
> > >  >
> > >  >  > -Boris
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > --
> > >  >  > +1.604.689.0322
> > >  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > >  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > >  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > >  >  > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
> message
> > >  >  > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information
> that
> > is
> > >  >  > private and confidential. If you have received it in error,
> > please
> > >  >  > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> > >  >  > attachments.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Thank you.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  >  > From: [hidden email]
> > >  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > On
> > >  > Behalf Of
> > >  >  > Philippe Marschall
> > >  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
> > >  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> > discussion.
> > >  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about the
> > > following
> > >  >  > > change?
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> > >  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
> > >  >  > >      [self attributes
> > >  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
> > >  >  > >            put: valueString]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it. The
> > problem
> > >  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are
> > lowercase that
> > >  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Philippe
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have
> bothered
> > the
> > >  >  > list
> > >  >  > > with it ;)
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > This ensure that code like,
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > -Boris
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > --
> > >  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
> > >  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > >  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > >  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > >  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > [hidden email]
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
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> > >  >
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> > >  >  > _______________________________________________
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> > >  >  >
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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> > >  >  _______________________________________________
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> > >  >  [hidden email]
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >
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> > >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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> > >  [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
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> >
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>

> Browser quirks such as treatment (or non-treatment, I
> should say) of text/xml don't play into this at all,
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Boris
>
> --
> +1.604.689.0322
> DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>
> [hidden email]
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>
> This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
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> notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:17 AM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > But it still says XHTML, doesn't it? :)
>
> Doesn't matter a thing as long as the mime-type is:
> text/html
>
> > Either way, this thread has deviated way far from the path I was on
> > originally so I'll let it go as I have no way to contribute changes
> > directly to Squeak codebase and trying to convince someone else to

> > the work just doesn't seem to be working out, understandably so, by
> the
> > way.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
> > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >
> > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> > attachments.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Philippe Marschall
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 AM
> > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >
> > 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you say its transitional?
> >
> > Because WAHtmlRoot >> #initialize says so and we still have support
> > for deprecated attributes.
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > > Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> > > integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not
> > separate
> > > the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web
> > standards.
> > >
> > >  Cheers!
> > >
> > >  -Boris
> > >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > >
> > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > >  From: [hidden email]
> > > <[hidden email]>
> > >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > > <[hidden email]>
> > >  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
> > >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >
> > >  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body,
> it
> > was
> > > cased
> > >  > like that and failed validation,
> > >
> > >  Got that sucker.
> > >
> > >  > but my point was that so long as protocol
> > >  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no

> > >  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack
> > that
> > >  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
> > >  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
> > >
> > >  > I was advocation for facilities to
> > >  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
> > >
> > >  They have both the very same ruleset:
> > >  attribute names are case-sensitive
> > >  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
> > >
> > >  Philippe
> > >
> > >  >  Cheers!
> > >  >
> > >  >  -Boris
> > >  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >  ----- Original Message -----
> > >  >  From: [hidden email]
> > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > >  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> discussion.
> > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > >  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
> > >  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >  >
> > >  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,
> > depending on
> > >  >  > application's configuration?
> > >  >
> > >  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
> > >  >
> > >  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I
> thought
> > I
> > >  >  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something

> do
> > you
> > >  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
> > >  >
> > >  >  Philippe
> > >  >
> > >  >  > -Boris
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > --
> > >  >  > +1.604.689.0322
> > >  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > >  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > >  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > >  >  > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
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> > is
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> > please
> > >  >  > notify the sender and delete the entire message including

> > >  >  > attachments.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Thank you.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  >  > From: [hidden email]
> > >  >  > [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > On
> > >  > Behalf Of
> > >  >  > Philippe Marschall
> > >  >  > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:26 PM
> > >  >  > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> > discussion.
> > >  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > >  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about

> > > following
> > >  >  > > change?
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> > >  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
> > >  >  > >      [self attributes
> > >  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
> > >  >  > >            put: valueString]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it.

> > problem
> > >  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are
> > lowercase that
> > >  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > Philippe
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  > > By the way, I don't Squeak, otherwise I wouldn't have
> bothered
> > the
> > >  >  > list
> > >  >  > > with it ;)
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > This ensure that code like,
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > -Boris
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > --
> > >  >  > > +1.604.689.0322
> > >  >  > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > >  >  > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > >  >  > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > >  >  > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > [hidden email]
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the
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> > >  >  > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains

> > please
> > >  >  > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including
> any
> > >  >  > > attachments.
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > Thank you.
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > > _______________________________________________
> > >  >  > > Seaside mailing list
> > >  >  > > [hidden email]
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > _______________________________________________
> > >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> > >  >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >  > _______________________________________________
> > >  >  > Seaside mailing list
> > >  >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >  >
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >  >
> > >  >  _______________________________________________
> > >  >  Seaside mailing list
> > >  >  [hidden email]
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >
> > >  > _______________________________________________
> > >  > Seaside mailing list
> > >  > [hidden email]
> > >  >
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Seaside mailing list
> > >  [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Seaside mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> > _______________________________________________
> > Seaside mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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>

> :)
>
> -Boris
>
> --
> +1.604.689.0322
> DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
>
> [hidden email]
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>
> This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Marschall
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:31 AM
> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
>
> 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > Sorry, Philippe, I really didn't mean to start this back and forth,
> > that's not really the point. My point was that if you feed contents of
> > the page with any of xhtml doctypes that has non-lowercase attributes,
> > it will fail validation
>
> That has now been fixed.
>
> > and my understanding was that we'd all strived
> > to have our framework produce standards compliant code to the best of
> > our abilities.
>
> We are far away from that, we could do much more. We could only allow
> the creation of elements that are defined and could check every
> attribute and it's value. We could enforce proper nesting of elements.
>
> Philippe
>
> > Browser quirks such as treatment (or non-treatment, I
> > should say) of text/xml don't play into this at all,
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > -Boris
> >
> > --
> > +1.604.689.0322
> > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> >
> > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> > attachments.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Philippe Marschall
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:17 AM
> > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> >
> > 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > But it still says XHTML, doesn't it? :)
> >
> > Doesn't matter a thing as long as the mime-type is:
> > text/html
> >
> > > Either way, this thread has deviated way far from the path I was on
> > > originally so I'll let it go as I have no way to contribute changes
> > > directly to Squeak codebase and trying to convince someone else to
> do
> > > the work just doesn't seem to be working out, understandably so, by
> > the
> > > way.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -Boris
> > >
> > > --
> > > +1.604.689.0322
> > > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
> > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4
> > >
> > > [hidden email]
> > >
> > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> > >
> > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message
> > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is
> > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please
> > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any
> > > attachments.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > > Philippe Marschall
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 AM
> > > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > >
> > > 2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why do you say its transitional?
> > >
> > > Because WAHtmlRoot >> #initialize says so and we still have support
> > > for deprecated attributes.
> > >
> > > Philippe
> > >
> > > > Our app validates as strict and Michel had
> > > > integrated quite a few changes to make it happen. Why could we not
> > > separate
> > > > the two and do the best we can to assist those who care about web
> > > standards.
> > > >
> > > >  Cheers!
> > > >
> > > >  -Boris
> > > >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > > >
> > > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  From: [hidden email]
> > > > <[hidden email]>
> > > >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion.
> > > > <[hidden email]>
> > > >  Sent: Tue Feb 13 08:49:24 2007
> > > >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > > >
> > > >  2007/2/13, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a body,
> > it
> > > was
> > > > cased
> > > >  > like that and failed validation,
> > > >
> > > >  Got that sucker.
> > > >
> > > >  > but my point was that so long as protocol
> > > >  > is available and manages xhtml, results should validate no
> matter
> > > what.
> > > >  > Isn't xml just a superset of xhtml?
> > > >
> > > >  It is. So attribute names are case-sensitive. But keep in mind
> that
> > > >  Seaside uses html-compatible xhtml, which is an undocumented hack
> > > that
> > > >  builds upon several undocumented hacks. As far as browsers are
> > > >  concerned seaside produces html 4 transitional.
> > > >
> > > >  > I was advocation for facilities to
> > > >  > support both but with their own respective rulesets.
> > > >
> > > >  They have both the very same ruleset:
> > > >  attribute names are case-sensitive
> > > >  Only in html are attribute names case insensitive.
> > > >
> > > >  Philippe
> > > >
> > > >  >  Cheers!
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  -Boris
> > > >  >  (Sent from a BlackBerry)
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  >  From: [hidden email]
> > > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > > >  >  To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general
> > discussion.
> > > >  > <[hidden email]>
> > > >  >  Sent: Mon Feb 12 22:17:24 2007
> > > >  >  Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >  >  > Then we should have WAHtmlAttributes and WAXmlAttributes,
> > > depending on
> > > >  >  > application's configuration?
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  I'd rather say deeding on the brush.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  But you shouldn't have to use #attributeAt:put: anyway. I
> > thought
> > > I
> > > >  >  fixed all senders in Seaside. Do I have overlooked something
> or
> > do
> > > you
> > > >  >  miss certain attributes on certain elements?
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  Philippe
> > > >  >
> > > >  >  > -Boris
> > > >  >  >
> > > >  >  > --
> > > >  >  > +1.604.689.0322
> > > >  >  > DeepCove Labs Ltd.
> > > >  >  > 4th floor 595 Howe Street
> > > >  >  > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5
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> > > >  >  > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Force lowercase for attributes
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> > > >  >  > 2007/2/12, Boris Popov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >  >  > > XHTML's attribute names are all lower-case, so how about
> the
> > > > following
> > > >  >  > > change?
> > > >  >  > >
> > > >  >  > > WAHtmlAttributes>>at: keyString put: valueString
> > > >  >  > >   valueString ifNotNil:
> > > >  >  > >      [self attributes
> > > >  >  > >            at: keyString asLowercase
> > > >  >  > >            put: valueString]
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> > > >  >  > Please no, we had that once and I itentionally removed it.
> The
> > > problem
> > > >  >  > is that although that all the XHTML attribute names are
> > > lowercase that
> > > >  >  > is not true for all XML like RSS.
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> > > >  >  > Philippe
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> > > >  >  > > This ensure that code like,
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>
> > > I'm away from a pc, but look for setter of onKeyDown on a
> > body, it was
> > > cased like that and failed validation,
> >
> > Got that sucker.
>
> Boris,
>
> I just committed Seaside(2.6b1-mb.131.2,mbany). It includes
> Philippe's fix that replaces onKeyDown with onkeydown.
> You can either reload the Seaside bundle or reload
> everything using SeasideForSwazoo/SeasideForWebToolkit.
>
> That's right, before the recent changes to attribute cases,
> Seaside was more flexible and your application was allowed to
> be non-compliant. Seaside would fix your mistakes. Now you
> are on your own regarding compliance.
>
> Philippe,
>
> I didn't check, but would your XML apps be still OK if
> WATagBrush>>attributeAt:put: would force lowercase ?
> Just an idea.