Found it! [Was: A dog-slow browser ]

> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>
> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
> list of methods in method's list?
>
> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
> what happens there, that it consumes so much time
> to just switch the source code in a single text pane?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>

>
> Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation pane,
> and other is not.
>
> The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
> it in a code pane is significant.
> Its even different in a look & feel: if you have annotation pane
> turned on, each time you selecting a different method,
> it turns mouse cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it
> back to arrow.
>
> And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
> methods list without feeling any seeming delay,
> in window with annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons
> to deliver a method's sources to me :)
>
>
> On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>>
>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>> list of methods in method's list?
>>
>> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>> what happens there, that it consumes so much time
>> to just switch the source code in a single text pane?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
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> Lukas
>
>
>>
>> Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation pane,
>> and other is not.
>>
>> The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
>> it in a code pane is significant.
>> Its even different in a look & feel: if you have annotation pane
>> turned on, each time you selecting a different method,
>> it turns mouse cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it
>> back to arrow.
>>
>> And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
>> methods list without feeling any seeming delay,
>> in window with annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons
>> to deliver a method's sources to me :)
>>
>>
>> On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>>>
>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>>> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>>> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>>> list of methods in method's list?
>>>
>>> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>>> what happens there, that it consumes so much time
>>> to just switch the source code in a single text pane?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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> Lukas
>
>
>>
>> Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation
>> pane, and other is not.
>>
>> The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
>> it in a code pane is significant.
>> Its even different in a look & feel: if you have annotation pane
>> turned on, each time you selecting a different method, it turns mouse
>> cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it back to arrow.
>>
>> And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
>> methods list without feeling any seeming delay, in window with
>> annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons to deliver a
>> method's sources to me :)
>>
>>
>> On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>>>
>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>>> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>>> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>>> list of methods in method's list?
>>>
>>> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>>> what happens there, that it consumes so much time to just switch the
>>> source code in a single text pane?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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>
>
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> FWIW, **THANKS** for staying with this one.  My vote would be to adopt the faster defaults and to add an entry to an appropriate Wiki page on how to add items of interest.
>
> Duty calls: I desperately need to return to my milling machine.  I will no doubt get involved in various details of ± 0.001 inch, and completely forget about this thread:(   However, many others will never even become aware of it, hence my preference for the faster option.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:[hidden email]  [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:43 PM
> To:[hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Found it! [Was: A dog-slow browser ]
>
> On 9 May 2010 21:21, Lukas Renggli<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>    
>>> >>  but i seem found the cause of it:
>>> >>  - its an annotation pane, which makes browsing so slow!
>>>        
>> >
>> >  Of course, but that was always like that, no?
>> >
>> >  Searching through all the compiled methods to count senders and
>> >  through the changes file for the author takes a few 100 ms each time
>> >  you select a method.
>> >
>>      
> well, since now i found what is the cause of it, so i can do something to have my cake and eating it too.
>
> CodeHolder annotationRequests
> in Pharo:
> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #sendersCount #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>
> in Squeak:
> Preferences defaultAnnotationRequests
> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>
> So, the Squeak's browsers feels faster with annotation panes simply because they're not including #sendersCount by default, which takes a huge amount of time.
>
> And now, all i need to be happy again is just do following:
>
> CodeHolder annotationRequests: (CodeHolder annotationRequests
> copyWithout: #sendersCount  )
>
> i don't wanna argue, why Pharo includes this option by default, since i can turn it off anyways.
>
> Thanks , Lukas
>
>    
>> >  Lukas
>> >
>> >
>>      
>>> >>
>>> >>  Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation
>>> >>  pane, and other is not.
>>> >>
>>> >>  The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
>>> >>  it in a code pane is significant.
>>> >>  Its even different in a look&  feel: if you have annotation pane
>>> >>  turned on, each time you selecting a different method, it turns mouse
>>> >>  cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it back to arrow.
>>> >>
>>> >>  And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
>>> >>  methods list without feeling any seeming delay, in window with
>>> >>  annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons to deliver a
>>> >>  method's sources to me:)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>  On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> >>>  Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics:)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>  Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>>>> >>>  That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>>>> >>>  Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>>>> >>>  list of methods in method's list?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>  (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>>>> >>>  what happens there, that it consumes so much time to just switch the
>>>> >>>  source code in a single text pane?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>  --
>>>> >>>  Best regards,
>>>> >>>  Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>> >>>
>>>>          
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>  --
>>> >>  Best regards,
>>> >>  Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>>        
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  --
>> >  Lukas Renggli
>>      

> On 9 May 2010 22:37, Alain Plantec <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Issue 2403 <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2403>:
>> Annotation pane is slow because of #sendersCount
>>
>> Le 09/05/2010 21:29, Schwab,Wilhelm K a écrit :
>
> Added fix to that issue.  (see a changeset in issue tracker)
>
> With it, an annotation pane could be as slow as it wants to, but it
> doesn't hurth a user's experience,
> since all information is fetched in background.
> So, Pharo now could have an ultra-fast method switching, which no
> longer depends from slowness of annotation panes
> or its particular options :)
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>

> On 9 May 2010 21:21, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> but i seem found the cause of it:
>>> - its an annotation pane, which makes browsing so slow!
>>
>> Of course, but that was always like that, no?
>>
>> Searching through all the compiled methods to count senders and
>> through the changes file for the author takes a few 100 ms each time
>> you select a method.
>>
> well, since now i found what is the cause of it, so i can do something
> to have my cake and eating it too.
>
> CodeHolder annotationRequests
> in Pharo:
> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #sendersCount #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>
> in Squeak:
> Preferences defaultAnnotationRequests
> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>
> So, the Squeak's browsers feels faster with annotation panes simply
> because they're not including #sendersCount
> by default, which takes a huge amount of time.
>
> And now, all i need to be happy again is just do following:
>
> CodeHolder annotationRequests: (CodeHolder annotationRequests
> copyWithout: #sendersCount  )
>
> i don't wanna argue, why Pharo includes this option by default, since
> i can turn it off anyways.
>
> Thanks , Lukas
>
>> Lukas
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation pane,
>>> and other is not.
>>>
>>> The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
>>> it in a code pane is significant.
>>> Its even different in a look & feel: if you have annotation pane
>>> turned on, each time you selecting a different method,
>>> it turns mouse cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it
>>> back to arrow.
>>>
>>> And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
>>> methods list without feeling any seeming delay,
>>> in window with annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons
>>> to deliver a method's sources to me :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>>>>
>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>>>> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>>>> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>>>> list of methods in method's list?
>>>>
>>>> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>>>> what happens there, that it consumes so much time
>>>> to just switch the source code in a single text pane?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
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> Stef
>
> On May 9, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>
>> On 9 May 2010 21:21, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> but i seem found the cause of it:
>>>> - its an annotation pane, which makes browsing so slow!
>>>
>>> Of course, but that was always like that, no?
>>>
>>> Searching through all the compiled methods to count senders and
>>> through the changes file for the author takes a few 100 ms each time
>>> you select a method.
>>>
>> well, since now i found what is the cause of it, so i can do something
>> to have my cake and eating it too.
>>
>> CodeHolder annotationRequests
>> in Pharo:
>> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #sendersCount #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>>
>> in Squeak:
>> Preferences defaultAnnotationRequests
>> #(#timeStamp #messageCategory #implementorsCount #allChangeSets)
>>
>> So, the Squeak's browsers feels faster with annotation panes simply
>> because they're not including #sendersCount
>> by default, which takes a huge amount of time.
>>
>> And now, all i need to be happy again is just do following:
>>
>> CodeHolder annotationRequests: (CodeHolder annotationRequests
>> copyWithout: #sendersCount  )
>>
>> i don't wanna argue, why Pharo includes this option by default, since
>> i can turn it off anyways.
>>
>> Thanks , Lukas
>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right now i have two browser windows opened - one with annotation pane,
>>>> and other is not.
>>>>
>>>> The amount of delay between selecting a particular method and showing
>>>> it in a code pane is significant.
>>>> Its even different in a look & feel: if you have annotation pane
>>>> turned on, each time you selecting a different method,
>>>> it turns mouse cursor to a hourglass for a moment, and then turns it
>>>> back to arrow.
>>>>
>>>> And while in browser without annotation panes i can scroll through
>>>> methods list without feeling any seeming delay,
>>>> in window with annotation pane, its feel like a system using a pigeons
>>>> to deliver a method's sources to me :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20 January 2010 18:28, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Please, don't take it as a offense, but as a constructive critics :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Pharo-core browser is awfully slooow!
>>>>> That's why i prefer to develop in squeak trunk image.
>>>>> Why it showing the distracting hourglass cursor when stepping over a
>>>>> list of methods in method's list?
>>>>>
>>>>> (press and hold the up arrow key when inside a methods list)... damn..
>>>>> what happens there, that it consumes so much time
>>>>> to just switch the source code in a single text pane?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> www.lukas-renggli.ch
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
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> On 9 May 2010 22:37, Alain Plantec <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Issue 2403 <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2403>:
>> Annotation pane is slow because of #sendersCount
>>
>> Le 09/05/2010 21:29, Schwab,Wilhelm K a écrit :
>
> Added fix to that issue.  (see a changeset in issue tracker)
>
> With it, an annotation pane could be as slow as it wants to, but it
> doesn't hurth a user's experience,
> since all information is fetched in background.
> So, Pharo now could have an ultra-fast method switching, which no
> longer depends from slowness of annotation panes
> or its particular options :)
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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