Fwd: 2GB changes file and a pony (was: [squeak-dev] ALL CLEAR (Re: CompiledMethodTrailers ready for use))

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> From: David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2009/12/27
> Subject: Re: 2GB changes file and a pony (was: [squeak-dev] ALL CLEAR
> (Re: CompiledMethodTrailers ready for use))
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> <[hidden email]>
>
>
> I have put the updates for large changes and sources files into the
> inbox. I would appreciate if someone can review this before moving
> into trunk.
>
> There are three mcz updates:
> ??Files-dtl.62
> ??System-dtl.205
> ??Kernel-dtl.347
>
> Important: The changes *must* be loaded in the order listed above.
> This will require a configuration map update when the changes are
> moved to trunk.
>
> The use of ExpandedSourceFileArray takes effect after the first
> image restart. To change back to using the StandardSourceFileArray,
> the procedure is as follows:
>
> ??1) Evaluate 'StandardSourceFileArray install'
> ??2) Edit SourceFileArray class>>concreteClass to answer
> ?? ??StandardSourceFileArray rather than ExpandedSourceFileArray.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
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> Note, the change sets for this update are also on Mantis
>  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5205
> along with discussion of other approaches to the problem.
>
> These changes are now in Squeak trunk.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 09:19:46PM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>
>> Date: 2009/12/27
>> Subject: Re: 2GB changes file and a pony (was: [squeak-dev] ALL CLEAR
>> (Re: CompiledMethodTrailers ready for use))
>> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> <[hidden email]>
>>
>>
>> I have put the updates for large changes and sources files into the
>> inbox. I would appreciate if someone can review this before moving
>> into trunk.
>>
>> There are three mcz updates:
>> ??Files-dtl.62
>> ??System-dtl.205
>> ??Kernel-dtl.347
>>
>> Important: The changes *must* be loaded in the order listed above.
>> This will require a configuration map update when the changes are
>> moved to trunk.
>>
>> The use of ExpandedSourceFileArray takes effect after the first
>> image restart. To change back to using the StandardSourceFileArray,
>> the procedure is as follows:
>>
>> ??1) Evaluate 'StandardSourceFileArray install'
>> ??2) Edit SourceFileArray class>>concreteClass to answer
>> ?? ??StandardSourceFileArray rather than ExpandedSourceFileArray.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Thanks David.
> I will look at the methodTrailer fixes soon. Now my knowledge is limited
> in this area and I would prefer to have marcus have a look.
> I will at least check the code and see if it looks ok.
>
> Stef
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 8:25 PM, David T. Lewis wrote:
>
> > Note, the change sets for this update are also on Mantis
> >  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5205
> > along with discussion of other approaches to the problem.
> >
> > These changes are now in Squeak trunk.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 09:19:46PM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>
> >> Date: 2009/12/27
> >> Subject: Re: 2GB changes file and a pony (was: [squeak-dev] ALL CLEAR
> >> (Re: CompiledMethodTrailers ready for use))
> >> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> >> <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have put the updates for large changes and sources files into the
> >> inbox. I would appreciate if someone can review this before moving
> >> into trunk.
> >>
> >> There are three mcz updates:
> >> ??Files-dtl.62
> >> ??System-dtl.205
> >> ??Kernel-dtl.347
> >>
> >> Important: The changes *must* be loaded in the order listed above.
> >> This will require a configuration map update when the changes are
> >> moved to trunk.
> >>
> >> The use of ExpandedSourceFileArray takes effect after the first
> >> image restart. To change back to using the StandardSourceFileArray,
> >> the procedure is as follows:
> >>
> >> ??1) Evaluate 'StandardSourceFileArray install'
> >> ??2) Edit SourceFileArray class>>concreteClass to answer
> >> ?? ??StandardSourceFileArray rather than ExpandedSourceFileArray.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pharo-project mailing list
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> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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> FYI Marcus provided a solution to this problem back in 2006, see
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=4369 (but the original author
> may be Klaus Witzel). So Marcus will understand the issue well :)
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 09:20:20PM +0100, St?phane Ducasse wrote:
>> Thanks David.
>> I will look at the methodTrailer fixes soon. Now my knowledge is limited
>> in this area and I would prefer to have marcus have a look.
>> I will at least check the code and see if it looks ok.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2009, at 8:25 PM, David T. Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> Note, the change sets for this update are also on Mantis
>>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5205
>>> along with discussion of other approaches to the problem.
>>>
>>> These changes are now in Squeak trunk.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 09:19:46PM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: David T. Lewis <[hidden email]>
>>>> Date: 2009/12/27
>>>> Subject: Re: 2GB changes file and a pony (was: [squeak-dev] ALL CLEAR
>>>> (Re: CompiledMethodTrailers ready for use))
>>>> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have put the updates for large changes and sources files into the
>>>> inbox. I would appreciate if someone can review this before moving
>>>> into trunk.
>>>>
>>>> There are three mcz updates:
>>>> ??Files-dtl.62
>>>> ??System-dtl.205
>>>> ??Kernel-dtl.347
>>>>
>>>> Important: The changes *must* be loaded in the order listed above.
>>>> This will require a configuration map update when the changes are
>>>> moved to trunk.
>>>>
>>>> The use of ExpandedSourceFileArray takes effect after the first
>>>> image restart. To change back to using the StandardSourceFileArray,
>>>> the procedure is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> ??1) Evaluate 'StandardSourceFileArray install'
>>>> ??2) Edit SourceFileArray class>>concreteClass to answer
>>>> ?? ??StandardSourceFileArray rather than ExpandedSourceFileArray.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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> On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Yes :)
>>
>> Marcus would like to have code inside the image... since a couple of years :)
>
> yes... Klaus Witzel worked on this some years ago (I think even after I told him that
> this would be high on my list... Klaus used to live in Bern and visited the Squeak meeting
> there regularly.)
>
> This did not make it into 3.9... we ran a bit out of steam at the end :-)
>
> Maybe I should explain that I did 3.9 in parallel to my PhD work. Unpayed, with no hidden
> side agenda other than the realization that one can't invent the future if one can not even fix a typo in a comment.
>
> I think one could critisize that I just integrated other peoples fixes... but that had multiple reasons:
>
> 1) Focus was on the PhD.... and doing all these boring things that are a lot of work that one needs to do to have a future
> in Research.
>
> 2) Of what use is it to do some cool enancement for Squeak if chances of integration are zero? I never understood
> the brave people who did sent patch after patch with almost nothing ending up in the system.
>
> 3) Integrating is far less trivial than people might think.
>
> Integrating is especially difficult in a system "with a history" like Squeak. But in the end, I think we did a good job with 3.9.
> Regardless of what people said afterwards... I guess now everyone agrees, after all those evil things we did that people crucified
> us for turned out to be not that bad after all.
>
> Marcus
>
>
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>
> On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:27 AM, St?phane Ducasse wrote:
>
> > Yes :)
> >
> > Marcus would like to have code inside the image... since a couple of years :)
>
> yes... Klaus Witzel worked on this some years ago (I think even after I told him that
> this would be high on my list... Klaus used to live in Bern and visited the Squeak meeting
> there regularly.)
>
> This did not make it into 3.9... we ran a bit out of steam at the end :-)
>
> Maybe I should explain that I did 3.9 in parallel to my PhD work. Unpayed, with no hidden
> side agenda other than the realization that one can't invent the future if one can not even fix a typo in a comment.
>
> I think one could critisize that I just integrated other peoples fixes... but that had multiple reasons:
>
> 1) Focus was on the PhD.... and doing all these boring things that are a lot of work that one needs to do to have a future
> in Research.
>
> 2) Of what use is it to do some cool enancement for Squeak if chances of integration are zero? I never understood
> the brave people who did sent patch after patch with almost nothing ending up in the system.
>
> 3) Integrating is far less trivial than people might think.
>
> Integrating is especially difficult in a system "with a history" like Squeak. But in the end, I think we did a good job with 3.9.
> Regardless of what people said afterwards... I guess now everyone agrees, after all those evil things we did that people crucified
> us for turned out to be not that bad after all.