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Hi all,
OSCON is O'Reilly's annual Open Source Conference in Portland, Oregon. I did a Seaside talk there last year, which was great fun, and this year you'll note that Seaside is explicitly mentioned in the Call for Participation. It's a great chance to show off what we're all working on to a much wider audience than usual. I'd love to see some Seaside talks on the schedule this year, so if anyone has any ideas at all for sessions, please do apply. The Call for Participation is attached below. Cheers, Avi ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: O'Reilly Conferences <[hidden email]> Date: Jan 25, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation Ends Soon To: [hidden email] Be Heard at OSCON 2007 -- Submit Your Proposal to Lead Sessions and Tutorials by February 5! The O'Reilly Open Source Convention July 23-27, 2007 Portland, Oregon http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/ More than 2500 open source developers, gurus, experts and users will gather, eager to network, learn, and share the latest knowledge on open source software. We think of this group as "the best of the best," and we invite you to contribute to the more than 400 sessions and 40 tutorials designed to build inspiration and know-how. Submit your proposals at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/create/e_sess Share your favorite techniques, your proven successes, and newly developed technology in tracks for Linux, PHP, Perl, Python, Ruby, Java, Databases, Desktop Applications, Web Applications (client-side and server-side), Windows, Administration, Security, and Emerging Topics. No topic (other than closed source software) is off-limits, so send us your best ideas. Among the hot topics we want to hear about are: - Tools for the administration and deployment of large server farms - Parallelization, grid, and multicore technologies - Virtualization - Ajax, Javascript, standards-based design, and other client-side web issues - Seaside, Rails, Django, and other interesting server-side technology - Ubuntu as an emergent usable Linux distro and contender for Red Hat and Sun's client and server markets - Java as open source - AI, machine learning, and other ways of making software smarter than the people using it - User experience and usability engineering lessons for web and desktop software - The spread of open source into law, culture, data, and services, and the accompanying issues and lessons For full details and guidelines on submitting your proposal, go to http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/. If you know someone who would be a good speaker, please pass this email on. Whether as a speaker or as an attendee, you'll want to participate in this meeting of the best minds in the business, which will also include the O'Reilly Radar Executive Briefing. Be sure to save the dates -- July 23-27. Registration will open in early April. We hope to see you in Portland in July! The OSCON Team P.S. Remember, proposals for sessions and tutorials must be submitted to http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/ by (11:59PM Pacific Standard Time) Monday, February 5. ******************************************************* To change your newsletter subscription options, please visit http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home. To unsubscribe from O'Reilly conference announcements, email [hidden email]. For assistance, email [hidden email]. O'Reilly Media, Inc. 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 ******************************************************* _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi avi
do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting pier/magritte? May be esug could participate? How many people are attending this conference? Stef On 25 janv. 07, at 20:39, Avi Bryant wrote: > Hi all, > > OSCON is O'Reilly's annual Open Source Conference in Portland, Oregon. > I did a Seaside talk there last year, which was great fun, and this > year you'll note that Seaside is explicitly mentioned in the Call for > Participation. It's a great chance to show off what we're all working > on to a much wider audience than usual. I'd love to see some Seaside > talks on the schedule this year, so if anyone has any ideas at all for > sessions, please do apply. The Call for Participation is attached > below. > > Cheers, > Avi > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: O'Reilly Conferences <[hidden email]> > Date: Jan 25, 2007 11:29 AM > Subject: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation Ends Soon > To: [hidden email] > > > Be Heard at OSCON 2007 -- Submit Your Proposal to Lead Sessions and > Tutorials by February 5! > > The O'Reilly Open Source Convention > July 23-27, 2007 > Portland, Oregon > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/ > > > More than 2500 open source developers, gurus, experts and users will > gather, eager to network, learn, and share the latest knowledge on > open > source software. We think of this group as "the best of the best," > and we > invite you to contribute to the more than 400 sessions and 40 > tutorials > designed to build inspiration and know-how. Submit your proposals at: > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2007/create/e_sess > > Share your favorite techniques, your proven successes, and newly > developed > technology in tracks for Linux, PHP, Perl, Python, Ruby, Java, > Databases, > Desktop Applications, Web Applications (client-side and server-side), > Windows, Administration, Security, and Emerging Topics. > > No topic (other than closed source software) is off-limits, so send us > your best ideas. Among the hot topics we want to hear about are: > - Tools for the administration and deployment of large server farms > - Parallelization, grid, and multicore technologies > - Virtualization > - Ajax, Javascript, standards-based design, and other client-side web > issues > - Seaside, Rails, Django, and other interesting server-side technology > - Ubuntu as an emergent usable Linux distro and contender for Red > Hat and > Sun's client and server markets > - Java as open source > - AI, machine learning, and other ways of making software smarter > than the > people using it > - User experience and usability engineering lessons for web and > desktop > software > - The spread of open source into law, culture, data, and services, > and the > accompanying issues and lessons > > For full details and guidelines on submitting your proposal, go to > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/. If you know someone who > would > be a good speaker, please pass this email on. > > Whether as a speaker or as an attendee, you'll want to participate > in this > meeting of the best minds in the business, which will also include the > O'Reilly Radar Executive Briefing. Be sure to save the dates -- July > 23-27. Registration will open in early April. > > We hope to see you in Portland in July! > > The OSCON Team > > P.S. Remember, proposals for sessions and tutorials must be > submitted to > http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/ > by (11:59PM Pacific Standard Time) Monday, February 5. > > > ******************************************************* > To change your newsletter subscription options, please visit > http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/nl/home. > > To unsubscribe from O'Reilly conference announcements, email > [hidden email]. > > For assistance, email [hidden email]. > > O'Reilly Media, Inc. > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North, Sebastopol, CA 95472 > ******************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 1/26/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi avi > > do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting > pier/magritte? > May be esug could participate? If you mean, should ESUG sponsor Lukas to go and give a talk on Pier, then yes, of course they should :). > How many people are attending this conference? Between 2500 and 3000, I think. Avi _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 26 janv. 07, at 10:40, Avi Bryant wrote: > On 1/26/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi avi >> >> do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting >> pier/magritte? >> May be esug could participate? > > If you mean, should ESUG sponsor Lukas to go and give a talk on Pier, > then yes, of course they should :). The problem is that we do not have enough money for that. We could participate. Or a nice seasider living more closely to portland could do it :) >> How many people are attending this conference? > > Between 2500 and 3000, I think. Indeed this would be interesting to get there. Stef > > Avi > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Il giorno ven, 26/01/2007 alle 10.45 +0100, stephane ducasse ha scritto:
> On 26 janv. 07, at 10:40, Avi Bryant wrote: > > > On 1/26/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi avi > >> > >> do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting > >> pier/magritte? > >> May be esug could participate? > > > > If you mean, should ESUG sponsor Lukas to go and give a talk on Pier, > > then yes, of course they should :). > > The problem is that we do not have enough money for that. We could > participate. > Or a nice seasider living more closely to portland could do it :) PR-wise, "sending" a Squeaker/Seasider to give a talk to OSCON would be money well spent. I'd participate in a fundraiser for that, is ESUG or the Squeak Foundation organized one. Giovanni _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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>>> On 1/26/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi avi >>>> >>>> do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting >>>> pier/magritte? >>>> May be esug could participate? >>> >>> If you mean, should ESUG sponsor Lukas to go and give a talk on >>> Pier, >>> then yes, of course they should :). >> >> The problem is that we do not have enough money for that. We could >> participate. >> Or a nice seasider living more closely to portland could do it :) > > PR-wise, "sending" a Squeaker/Seasider to give a talk to OSCON > would be > money well spent. I'd participate in a fundraiser for that, is ESUG or > the Squeak Foundation organized one. Yes this was a bit the idea or/and that a famous seaside living close by could present pier/magritte :) Stef _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Il giorno ven, 26/01/2007 alle 20.20 +0100, stephane ducasse ha scritto:
> >>> On 1/26/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>> Hi avi > >>>> > >>>> do you think that as a community effort we could someone presenting > >>>> pier/magritte? > >>>> May be esug could participate? > >>> > >>> If you mean, should ESUG sponsor Lukas to go and give a talk on > >>> Pier, > >>> then yes, of course they should :). > >> > >> The problem is that we do not have enough money for that. We could > >> participate. > >> Or a nice seasider living more closely to portland could do it :) > > > > PR-wise, "sending" a Squeaker/Seasider to give a talk to OSCON > > would be > > money well spent. I'd participate in a fundraiser for that, is ESUG or > > the Squeak Foundation organized one. > > Yes this was a bit the idea or/and that a famous seaside living close > by could present pier/magritte :) :-) I meant sending someone else _in addition_ to the famous Seasider. It communicates btter the fact that there's a community behind Squeak and Seaside. Giovanni _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to submit
something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of "href considered harmful." I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Giles,
I really enjoyed your webcast movie. I thought it was excellent. I admire how you had such great editing command over the images and were able to make them work with what you were saying so well. When I do a webcast, I just do one take, no editing, and all facing the desktop. Also the things you had to say about RoR were great for me, because I don't know anything about that language, and so it was great to see a comparison of the two. The only other place I've seen something similar is in Bruce Tate's O'Reilly book "Beyond Java", which is a fun, short read comparing RoR to ...everything. It's where I heard about Seaside. I hope your application for a presentation at OSCON meets with success. Chris Cunnington Toronto _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Giles Bowkett wrote:
> I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to submit > something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of "href considered > harmful." > > I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: > > http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov Great screencast! I hope you get to make a presentation at OSCON. In any case, if the screencast gets good play, it'll still be a big PR boost. In the conclusion you have Seaside trumps Rails (in some things), and vice versa. I'd be curious to know where you think Rails is "better". Is it better out-of-box experience, better documentation, easier RDB hookup, more ready made components, etc.? Again, thanks for this screencast; it really gives me the sense that Seaside is gaining traction and ready for take-off. -- Yanni Chiu _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > Of Giles Bowkett > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:08 PM > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Fwd: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation > Ends Soon > > I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to > submit something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of > "href considered harmful." > > I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: > > http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov Giles, awesome work, great screencast. Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 1/28/07, Chris Cunnington <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Giles, > > I really enjoyed your webcast movie. I thought it was excellent. I admire > how you had such great editing command over the images and were able to make > them work with what you were saying so well. When I do a webcast, I just do > one take, no editing, and all facing the desktop. > > Also the things you had to say about RoR were great for me, because I don't > know anything about that language, and so it was great to see a comparison > of the two. The only other place I've seen something similar is in Bruce > Tate's O'Reilly book "Beyond Java", which is a fun, short read comparing RoR > to ...everything. It's where I heard about Seaside. > > I hope your application for a presentation at OSCON meets with success. Gracias! -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> > I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast:
> > > > http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov > > Giles, awesome work, great screencast. cheers Ramon ^_^ -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> Great screencast! I hope you get to make a presentation at OSCON.
> In any case, if the screencast gets good play, it'll still be a > big PR boost. > > In the conclusion you have Seaside trumps Rails (in some things), > and vice versa. I'd be curious to know where you think Rails > is "better". Is it better out-of-box experience, better documentation, > easier RDB hookup, more ready made components, etc.? > > Again, thanks for this screencast; it really gives me the sense > that Seaside is gaining traction and ready for take-off. For sure -- glad everybody liked it so much. I got the idea from the Rails screencasts, there's a ton of effort on the marketing side with Rails, and of course DHH (Rails' creator) works for a firm with roots in graphic design. In terms of Rails, one thing is the marketing and documentation, it's a lot easier for a newbie to hit the ground running. Also the Unix interaction, relational databases, that often makes life more practical. Gemstone might be better but it's also more obscure. Rails has one huge weakness, though, which is that they make things **too** easy for newbies. So there's a lot of people in that community who aren't really programmers, and the result is a lot of messy mistakes with a very elegant framework. Like shooting yourself in the foot with an unusually beautiful gun. And there are also a lot of people who came to Rails from PHP. They discover reflection and lambda for the first time and they go a little nuts with it. (Then again I'm as guilty of that as any Rails n00b.) Anyway -- I think the "vs" attitude isn't the way to go, I definitely like having both frameworks in my bag of tricks. -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yes reallllllly coool.
On which machine did you do it? a Mac ? Stef On 29 janv. 07, at 16:47, Ramon Leon wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf >> Of Giles Bowkett >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:08 PM >> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. >> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Fwd: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation >> Ends Soon >> >> I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to >> submit something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of >> "href considered harmful." >> >> I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: >> >> http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov > > Giles, awesome work, great screencast. > > Ramon Leon > http://onsmalltalk.com > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Giles Bowkett wrote:
> Anyway -- I think the "vs" attitude isn't the way to go, I definitely > like having both frameworks in my bag of tricks. Sure, all frameworks have their plus and minus points. Since you've got lots more Rails knowledge, I was keen to know whether there was a major technical advantage that Rails had, that could be added to Seaside - which, only a few people could do. But it seems that what you see lacking can be solved by more casual contributors. I think that with enough people using Seaside, some of the current dificiencies will eventually be addressed. I'd like to see it all pan out like so: 1. Lots of people adopt a Seaside solution. 2. A few are gifted marketers, who spread the word. 3. Some are gifted writers, who add to the growing pool of documentation, tutorials, etc. 4. Some are natural editors, who gather the available documentation, and make it more accessible. 5. Some are tinkerers, who fix up the out-of-box experience. 6. Some are builders, who add to the list of ready made solutions. (E.g. portable RDB access would be nice to have.) 7. A few will learn and improve upon the internals of Seaside, or create significant new frameworks. IMHO, Seaside is doing well with (7), pretty good with (6), and gathering steam with (3) and (2). _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Giles,
I'm putting together a small Smalltalk magazine called "Parasol" quarterly. I'd like you to write 800-words on your webcast. "Parasol" quarterly, "Internet Smalltalk Coding", would like an article from you articulating in print what you said in video. I'm particularly interested in the href/goto statements you made. The hour's effort you put into writing this piece will repay itself many times over, as the magazine (a mere 12-pages to start) will be distributed at the Smalltalk Solutions/Linux World conference in April. Write the article, Giles. Strike one against the empire. Cheers, Chris Cunnington http://www.seasideparasol.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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That was supposed to be a private message to Giles Bowkett.
Gaaaawd... Some days... _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Gah! Whoops -- sorry Stephane -- missed this. I did it on a Mac, yup.
On 1/29/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yes reallllllly coool. > On which machine did you do it? a Mac ? > > Stef > > > On 29 janv. 07, at 16:47, Ramon Leon wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [hidden email] > >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > >> Of Giles Bowkett > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:08 PM > >> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. > >> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Fwd: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation > >> Ends Soon > >> > >> I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to > >> submit something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of > >> "href considered harmful." > >> > >> I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: > >> > >> http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov > > > > Giles, awesome work, great screencast. > > > > Ramon Leon > > http://onsmalltalk.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I think Giles screencast is great and it is a excellent step forward
in the marketing of Seaside. As Giles said, Rails has a company with a lot of background in usability and design, called 37signals behind much of what they do, particularly web site design. I also have a little constructive comment to make. I think the screencast has more value judgements than concrete examples. I don't even know if that is the proper way to go on a screencast to be shown to complete Seaside neophytes on our evangelic mission :) But, IMHO, I would put more beans in the soup. On 2/2/07, Giles Bowkett <[hidden email]> wrote: > Gah! Whoops -- sorry Stephane -- missed this. I did it on a Mac, yup. > > On 1/29/07, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Yes reallllllly coool. > > On which machine did you do it? a Mac ? > > > > Stef > > > > > > On 29 janv. 07, at 16:47, Ramon Leon wrote: > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [hidden email] > > >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > > >> Of Giles Bowkett > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:08 PM > > >> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. > > >> Subject: Re: [Seaside] Fwd: OSCON 2007 Call for Participation > > >> Ends Soon > > >> > > >> I'm still a big big newbie with Seaside, but I'm going to > > >> submit something about Seaside, Rails, and the whole idea of > > >> "href considered harmful." > > >> > > >> I actually did a ten-minute version today as a screencast: > > >> > > >> http://www.gilesbowkett.com/screencasts/seaside_rails.mov > > > > > > Giles, awesome work, great screencast. > > > > > > Ramon Leon > > > http://onsmalltalk.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Seaside mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com > http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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