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Fwd: Some personal thoughts and questions about Pharo

Stéphane Ducasse
For the ones that were not there at that time.
Study history as always been a way to understand the present :)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Matthew Fulmer <[hidden email]>
> Date: February 28, 2009 6:26:00 AM CEST
> To: Marcus Denker <[hidden email]>, St?phane Ducasse <[hidden email]
> >
> Cc: Matthew Fulmer <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Some personal thoughts and questions about Pharo
> Hi. I stumbled across a rather interesting email while I was
> researching to write up my campaign platform for the squeak
> election. Stef wrote this email 4 years ago, and it challenged a
> lot of what I thought about Pharo:
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2005-January/087532.html
> It prompted me to write this email, and lay out exactly what I
> think about Pharo, both good, bad, and not understood.
>> From what I can tell, this email was written just before you
> guys started the 3.9 team.
> Firstly, I see that you have really cared about bug response
> latency for a long time. I'm really glad you care and do
> something about it.
> Second, you solved this problem back then by releasing 3.9,
> and now you are solving it thru Pharo. Why did you choose to
> fork this time?
> If I may be blunt, I've long suspected that there are exactly
> two reasons why you forked:
> 1. Edgar J. De. Cleene
> 2. Andreas Raab
> Thirdly, I've heard Stef mention a number of times that "Marcus
> got burned", and therefore doesn't read squeak-dev, or no longer
> runs for board, or several things most squeak people do.
> However, this is by far the earliest mention of said burning
> I've ever seen. I had assumed the burning was people (Edgar and
> Andreas) complaining about Traits, but this was long before
> that.
> What is it that happened to Marcus? If you are still bitter
> about something that happened over 4 years ago, perhaps it is
> time to forgive and re-join the squeak community.
> As 3.11 release team leader, and Squeak board nominee, I'm
> really excited about what you guys are doing with Pharo. From my
> perspective, one thing you have done is take up the reigns for
> harvesting bugs, and left the release team free to consider a
> long-standing issue in the community: who is responsible for
> merging bug fixes from one distribution to another, and how can
> we make their lives easier
> Another valuable thing you have done is show the community that
> one image does not fit all; the monolithic image does not work
> for anybody. Squeakland showed it does not work for end-users
> Croquet showed it does not work for researchers.  And now Pharo
> shows that it does not work for developers. I really think that
> Pharo finishes painting that picture in the minds of the
> community, and you have thus paved the way for the release team
> and the squeak board to get away from the monolithic image, and
> toward modularity. I really think the community is ready now,
> and it's all thanks to you guys. I intend to exploit this
> opportunity.
> I sent this email in private, because I don't think it would be
> appropriate to ask some of these questions publicly. However,
> feel free to reply to any of this in public, as you see fit.
> --
> Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

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