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I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible.
Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and "chase pointers". Cheers, Adrian BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >> >> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu >> >> >> Hi >> >> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >> inspector menu and it would be nice to >> have that much more accessible. >> What do you think? >> >> Stef >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible. > > Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably > works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to > take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add > a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and > "chase pointers". Yes this is what I meant! Do you open an issue? This kind of Smalltalk gems should be put in front :) > > > Cheers, > Adrian > > BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with > "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >>> >>> >>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >>> inspector menu and it would be nice to >>> have that much more accessible. >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with
> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can suppress the keybidding for tallyIt. Cheers, Alexandre > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >>> >>> >>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >>> inspector menu and it would be nice to >>> have that much more accessible. >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think. Adrian On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also >> with >> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! > > I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can > suppress the keybidding for tallyIt. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug >>>> menu >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to >>>> have that much more accessible. >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
Sorry for the multiple mails.
I forgot to mention that it would be much better if "tally it" shows the actual tally output (i.e., what you get with MessageTally spyOn: [...]) instead of just measuring the time it requires to compile and run the code. Adrian On Mar 3, 2009, at 20:45 , Adrian Lienhard wrote: > I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not > something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think. > > Adrian > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also >>> with >>> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! >> >> I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can >> suppress the keybidding for tallyIt. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >>>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >>>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug >>>>> menu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >>>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to >>>>> have that much more accessible. >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I agree.
Oddly enough, the (w) shortcut was bound to tallyIt. Anyway, I changed the labels. a New version of Kernel is in Inbox. Alexandre On 3 Mar 2009, at 20:45, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not > something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think. > > Adrian > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >>> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also >>> with >>> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! >> >> I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can >> suppress the keybidding for tallyIt. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]> >>>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST >>>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug >>>>> menu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the >>>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to >>>>> have that much more accessible. >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not > something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think. > I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote: > 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>: >> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not >> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I >> think. >> > > I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key? Adrian _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" > > yes! I always wondered why there is none... > only question is, which key? which keys are free (if any)? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> > On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>: >>> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not >>> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I >>> think. >>> >> >> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" > > yes! I always wondered why there is none... > only question is, which key? ctr alt suppr :) no seriously, don't know... maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer we could use "alt shift i" "alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never used... do you ? useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;) > Adrian > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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>
> which keys are free (if any)? > seeing system>keyboard shortcut none in letters (upercase or not...). This shortcuts are all on ParagraphEditor class side... While refactoring, couldn't it be possible to integrate shortcuts in here too ? -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:45 , Cédrick Béler wrote: > 2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>: >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote: >> >>> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>: >>>> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not >>>> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I >>>> think. >>>> >>> >>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" >> >> yes! I always wondered why there is none... >> only question is, which key? > > ctr alt suppr :) > > no seriously, don't know... > > maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer we could > use "alt shift i" > > "alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never > used... do you ? useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;) I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it. Adrian _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Damien Cassou wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" >>> >> yes! I always wondered why there is none... >> only question is, which key? >> > > which keys are free (if any)? > Keith _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
> > I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best > shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody > else using it. Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is working on it. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>>> >>> yes! I always wondered why there is none... >>> only question is, which key? >>> >> >> which keys are free (if any)? >> > cmd-shift D would be the logical thing. Adrian came to the same conclusion. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I just tried...
Don't really know how to do slices also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize" see joined 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>: >>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" >> >> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best >> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody >> else using it. > > > Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is > working on it. > > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ParagraphEditor-debugIt.st (466 bytes) Download Attachment ParagraphEditor class-initializeShiftCmdKeyShortcuts.st (4K) Download Attachment |
What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the
issue in the bug tracker. In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required. Adrian On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote: > I just tried... > > Don't really know how to do slices > > also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize" > > see joined > > 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>: >>>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" >>> >>> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best >>> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody >>> else using it. >> >> >> Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is >> working on it. >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Cédrick > <ParagraphEditor-debugIt.st><ParagraphEditor class- > initializeShiftCmdKeyShortcuts > .st>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
done I hope correctly...
http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=628 initials are CB, is it ok or do I need to change to full name ? 2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>: > What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the > issue in the bug tracker. > In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required. > > Adrian > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote: > >> I just tried... >> >> Don't really know how to do slices >> >> also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize" >> >> see joined >> >> 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" >>>> >>>> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best >>>> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody >>>> else using it. >>> >>> >>> Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is >>> working on it. >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cédrick >> <ParagraphEditor-debugIt.st><ParagraphEditor class- >> initializeShiftCmdKeyShortcuts >> .st>_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Cédrick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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