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Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Stéphane Ducasse


From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu


Hi

we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to
have that much more accessible.
What do you think?

Stef





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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard
I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible.

Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably  
works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to  
take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add  
a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and  
"chase pointers".

Cheers,
Adrian

BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with  
"watch it" does not work; it closes the window!


On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

>>
>>
>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the  
>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>> have that much more accessible.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Stef
>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Stéphane Ducasse

On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible.
>
> Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably
> works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to
> take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add
> a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and
> "chase pointers".

Yes this is what I meant!
Do you open an issue?
This kind of Smalltalk gems should be put in front :)

>
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with
> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the
>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>>> have that much more accessible.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Alexandre Bergel
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> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with
> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!

I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can  
suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.

Cheers,
Alexandre


>
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the
>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>>> have that much more accessible.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not  
something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.

Adrian

On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also  
>> with
>> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
>
> I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can
> suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug  
>>>> menu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the
>>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>>>> have that much more accessible.
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard
Sorry for the multiple mails.

I forgot to mention that it would be much better if "tally it" shows  
the actual tally output (i.e., what you get with MessageTally spyOn:  
[...]) instead of just measuring the time it requires to compile and  
run the code.

Adrian


On Mar 3, 2009, at 20:45 , Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also
>>> with
>>> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
>>
>> I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can
>> suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>>>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug
>>>>> menu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the
>>>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>>>>> have that much more accessible.
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Alexandre Bergel
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I agree.
Oddly enough, the (w) shortcut was bound to tallyIt. Anyway, I changed  
the labels. a New version of Kernel is in Inbox.

Alexandre

On 3 Mar 2009, at 20:45, Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>>> BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also
>>> with
>>> "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
>>
>> I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can
>> suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: stéphane ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST
>>>>> To: Pharo Development <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug
>>>>> menu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the
>>>>> inspector menu and it would be nice to
>>>>> have that much more accessible.
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

cedreek
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2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
>

I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"



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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard

On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:

> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
>> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I  
>> think.
>>
>
> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"

yes! I always wondered why there is none...
only question is, which key?

Adrian
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>
> yes! I always wondered why there is none...
> only question is, which key?

which keys are free (if any)?

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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

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2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:

>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
>
>> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>>> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
>>> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I
>>> think.
>>>
>>
>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>
> yes! I always wondered why there is none...
> only question is, which key?

ctr alt suppr :)

no seriously, don't know...

maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer  we could
use  "alt shift i"

"alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never
used... do you ?  useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;)


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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

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>
> which keys are free (if any)?
>

seeing system>keyboard shortcut

none in letters (upercase or not...).


This shortcuts are all on ParagraphEditor class side... While
refactoring, couldn't it be possible to integrate shortcuts in here
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:45 , Cédrick Béler wrote:

> 2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>>>> I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not
>>>> something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I
>>>> think.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>
>> yes! I always wondered why there is none...
>> only question is, which key?
>
> ctr alt suppr :)
>
> no seriously, don't know...
>
> maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer  we could
> use  "alt shift i"
>
> "alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never
> used... do you ?  useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;)

I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best  
shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody  
else using it.

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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

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Damien Cassou wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>>      
>> yes! I always wondered why there is none...
>> only question is, which key?
>>    
>
> which keys are free (if any)?
>  
cmd-shift D would be the logical thing.

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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

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>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>
> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best
> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody
> else using it.


Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is  
working on it.

Alexandre

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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Alexandre Bergel
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>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>>>
>>> yes! I always wondered why there is none...
>>> only question is, which key?
>>>
>>
>> which keys are free (if any)?
>>
> cmd-shift D would be the logical thing.


Adrian came to the same conclusion.

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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

cedreek
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I just tried...

Don't really know how to do slices

also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize"

see joined

2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:

>>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>
>> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best
>> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody
>> else using it.
>
>
> Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is
> working on it.
>
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

Adrian Lienhard
What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the  
issue in the bug tracker.
In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required.

Adrian

On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:

> I just tried...
>
> Don't really know how to do slices
>
> also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize"
>
> see joined
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> 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>>
>>> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best
>>> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody
>>> else using it.
>>
>>
>> Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is
>> working on it.
>>
>> Alexandre
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Re: Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu

cedreek
done I hope correctly...

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=628

initials are CB,   is it ok or do I need to change to full name ?


2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:

> What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the
> issue in the bug tracker.
> In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
>
>> I just tried...
>>
>> Don't really know how to do slices
>>
>> also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize"
>>
>> see joined
>>
>> 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
>>>>
>>>> I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best
>>>> shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody
>>>> else using it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is
>>> working on it.
>>>
>>> Alexandre
>>>
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