Fwd: [squeak-dev] macintosh cocoa 32/64bit & 64/64bit VM goes BETA

> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
> I know that we are all terribly busy.
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>> From: John M McIntosh <[hidden email]>
>> Date: December 2, 2009 11:57:43 PM GMT+01:00
>> To: Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion <[hidden email]>, The general-purpose Squeak developers list <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email] Development" <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [squeak-dev] macintosh cocoa 32/64bit & 64/64bit VM goes BETA
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>> Ok, it's time for the community to do some testing.
>>
>> ESUG provided me with some funding to take the existing iPhone VM source and extend that to
>> build a new hosting platform using Cocoa on the macintosh and to enable the VM to run in 32 or 64 bit
>> mode and work with a 32 or 64bit image.
>>
>> I have placed two Alpha test VM s in the experimental folder  sub-folder COCOA
>> found in the usual places via
>>
>> http://smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html
>>
>> There are two VM's
>>
>> (a) a 32/64 bit VM that runs 32bit squeak images in 32bit (powerpc, intel) or 64bit (intel) mode.
>> (b) a 64/64 bit VM that runs 64bit squeak images in 64bit (intel).
>>
>>
>> The VM currently runs on 10.5.x and 10.6.x  Support for 10.4.x might happen, we will see.
>>
>> Until I sort out the re-integration of the source code into the squeakvm.org SVN tree you will
>> find the source at isqueak.org
>>
>> Issues, Oh lots. It's a fairly high mountain of material that needs to be tested.
>>
>> Things that should work.
>>
>> (a) access to files and directories UTF8 support only.
>> (b) Full screen support
>> (c) Sockets
>> (d) Basic Sound (better than in the 3.x/4.x VMs)
>> (e) jpegplugin2
>> (f) cut/copy/paste of text data (from/to) squeak and respect UTF8 chars
>> (g) drag and drop of files into squeak
>>
>> Right now it does not:
>>
>> (a) Support a internet browser as a browser plugin.
>> (b) The 64bit VM has no plugins at the moment.
>> (b2) I've not included any plugins with the 32/64bit VM.  
>> Existing plugins might work if the VM is running as "Open in 32bit mode"
>> someone can confirm that.
>>
>> (c) No macintosh host menus, or serial port support
>> (d) No Areithfa Ffenestri multiple-window support
>> (e) No 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 bit appearance support.
>>
>> Things I know about.
>> (a) double clicking *.images when the 5.x VM is running sometimes does not open a new VM.
>> (b) tossing a 32 image at the 64/64 bit VM or a 64 image at the 32/64 VM doesn't give visual feedback that it won't open the image.
>> (c) Full screen grabs all the screens, yes that will change
>>
>> Thoughts on internal plugins. Hint we should have TEST cases so we can confirm if all this stuff works.
>> It would be extremely helpful if someone wanted to work on that.   No doubt someone *could* run all the
>> current tests for a 32bit image and see what breaks.  However you'll need to explain where and what, versus
>> Oh it just crashed...
>>
>> ADPCMCodecPlugin, untested.
>> Squeak3D, Likely busted due to use of (int) data types in 64bit mode.
>> B2DPlugin, untested.
>> BitBltPlugin, untested.
>> BMPReadWriterPlugin, untested.
>> ZipPlugin, untested.
>> DSAPrims, untested.
>> SqueakFFIPrims, untested.
>> FFTPlugin, untested.
>> FloatArrayPlugin, untested.
>> GeniePlugin, untested.
>> HostWindowPlugin,  No support yet
>> JPEGReaderPlugin,  untested.
>> Klatt, untested.
>> LargeIntegers, untested.
>> Matrix2x3Plugin, untested.
>> MiscPrimitivePlugin, untested.
>> ObjectiveCPlugin, untested.
>> RePlugin, Likely busted due to use of (int) data types in 64bit mode.
>> SecurityPlugin, untested.
>> SoundCodecPrims, Likely busted due to use of (int) data types in 64bit mode.
>> SoundGenerationPlugin, Likely busted due to use of (int) data types in 64bit mode.
>> StarSqueakPlugin, untested.
>> SurfacePlugin, untested.
>> UUIDPlugin untested.
>>
>> Possibly Large Integers may have a problem in 64bit image mode, but we have to have some
>> discussion if the (unsigned int *) used by one routine is on purpose or an oversight.
>>
>> 64 bit images.
>>
>> We need to built a 64bit Closure image. **** I've no time to do that. ***
>>
>> David T Lewis provided a somewhat current Squeak.image which you'll find on the ftp site.
>>
>> If you build a 64bit image you need to do that on a PowerPC, or make a copy of  your VM on macIntel
>> and flip the  "Open in 32-bit mode" and the "Open in Rosetta" to on. You will only see the "Open in 32bit mode" if it's a 64bit VM,
>> and the "Open in Rosetta on os-x for 10.5 or 10.6 (if you installed it)
>> Follow the obvious instructions.
>>
>> No doubt some is required to take the code and build a MC change set for Pharo or Squeak Thrunk use so that
>> anyone can convert an existing image.
>>
>> Also see
>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5239
>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5240
>>
>> Building your own VM?
>>
>> Hopefully someone will attempt this so I can see if I checked in all the changes.
>>
>> 32bit image VM pick SqueakPureObjc and set
>> #define SQ_VI_BYTES_PER_WORD 4
>> for a
>> 64bit image reading VM  pick SqueakPureObjc64*64 and set
>> #define SQ_VI_BYTES_PER_WORD 8
>> in the required places.
>>
>> PS You'll find that building a 32/64 VM using GNU's tool chain will give you lousy performance
>> when running as a 64bit VM, more on this later.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Oh and lastly I'm looking for some paid work (smalltalk or objective-c (mac/iPhone) If anyone
>> requires a Smalltalk consultant, or an iPhone app built, please email me.
>>
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> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
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>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>
>
>
> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
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> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8.  I took a pharo
> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network.  It processed
> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog.  However it
> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not.  in a
> spare moment I will dig deeper.
>
> thanks,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>    
>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>      
>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>
>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
>>
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>> John M. McIntosh<[hidden email]>     Twitter:  squeaker68882
>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
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> That's pretty normal, it's happened to me a lot of times, at least.
> If you leave if for a while, it'll starts responding again.
> No idea why it happens though, I glanced at the code one time it
> happened, but no neurons fired :/
>
> Cheers,
> Henry
>
> On 07.12.2009 21:49, Michael Roberts wrote:
>> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8.  I took a pharo
>> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network.  It processed
>> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog.  However it
>> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not.  in a
>> spare moment I will dig deeper.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh
>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
>>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
>>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> John M. McIntosh<[hidden email]>     Twitter:  squeaker68882
>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
>>> ===========================================================================
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> That's pretty normal, it's happened to me a lot of times, at least.
> If you leave if for a while, it'll starts responding again.
> No idea why it happens though, I glanced at the code one time it
> happened, but no neurons fired :/
>
> Cheers,
> Henry
>
> On 07.12.2009 21:49, Michael Roberts wrote:
>> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8.  I took a pharo
>> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network.  It processed
>> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog.  However it
>> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not.  in a
>> spare moment I will dig deeper.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh
>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
>>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
>>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
>>>
>>> --
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> John M. McIntosh<[hidden email]>     Twitter:  squeaker68882
>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
>>> ===========================================================================
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> Ah, if someone can describe the test case:
>
> which I think is take a pharo 1.1 core 11049 then do update?
> I'll see where it's hung.
>
> would that be the
> pharo1.1-11073-alphadev09.12.1.zip
> or
> pharo1.1-11073-alphaweb09.12.1.zip
>
> from the 1.1 alpha links on the main pharo web page?
>
>
> On 2009-12-07, at 1:33 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote:
>
>> That's pretty normal, it's happened to me a lot of times, at least.
>> If you leave if for a while, it'll starts responding again.
>> No idea why it happens though, I glanced at the code one time it
>> happened, but no neurons fired :/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Henry
>>
>> On 07.12.2009 21:49, Michael Roberts wrote:
>>> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8.  I took a pharo
>>> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network.  It processed
>>> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog.  However it
>>> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not.  in a
>>> spare moment I will dig deeper.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh
>>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
>>>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
>>>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>> John M. McIntosh<[hidden email]>     Twitter:  squeaker68882
>>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
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> Hi John, it was not the pharo image, but the pharo core image.  You
> can get them direct from the inria download area. This is linked off
> the pharo-project site.  11049 was an internal update so start from
>
> http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/24763/PharoCore-1.1-11043-alpha.zip
>
> I will do this myself just to check the test case.
>
> thanks,
> Mike
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2009, John M McIntosh
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Ah, if someone can describe the test case:
>>
>> which I think is take a pharo 1.1 core 11049 then do update?
>> I'll see where it's hung.
>>
>> would that be the
>> pharo1.1-11073-alphadev09.12.1.zip
>> or
>> pharo1.1-11073-alphaweb09.12.1.zip
>>
>> from the 1.1 alpha links on the main pharo web page?
>>
>>
>> On 2009-12-07, at 1:33 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote:
>>
>>> That's pretty normal, it's happened to me a lot of times, at least.
>>> If you leave if for a while, it'll starts responding again.
>>> No idea why it happens though, I glanced at the code one time it
>>> happened, but no neurons fired :/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Henry
>>>
>>> On 07.12.2009 21:49, Michael Roberts wrote:
>>>> Hi, I did a quick test on the 32bit version on 10.5.8.  I took a pharo
>>>> 1.1 core 11049 and told it to update from the network.  It processed
>>>> all the updates (took some time) and drew the "ok" dialog.  However it
>>>> then hung. I am not sure if that is related to the VM or not.  in a
>>>> spare moment I will dig deeper.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:33 PM, John M McIntosh
>>>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-12-04, at 4:30 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> john needs beta testers....Do not forget
>>>>>>> I know that we are all terribly busy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes , *cough* feedback and response has been zero...
>>>>> Maybe I should push the self-destruct button on the 3.x, 4.x VM series.
>>>>> Where is that red button? Must be here somewhere in the office clutter...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>> John M. McIntosh<[hidden email]>     Twitter:  squeaker68882
>>>>> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com
>>>>> ===========================================================================
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