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[Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Alain Plantec-4


Hi all,

For now, Pharo has kept the squeak color specification framework based
on the
WindowColorSpec class and on the dynamic discovery of window colors.
(it relies on the searching of all windowColorSpecification implementors).
Do we want to keep that ?
I would vote for getting rid of it.
What do you think ?
Thanks

Alain




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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Marcus Denker-3

On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Alain Plantec wrote:

>
>
> From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
> Date: December 15, 2009 1:52:28 PM GMT+01:00
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: windowColorSpecification
> Reply-To: [hidden email]
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For now, Pharo has kept the squeak color specification framework based on the
> WindowColorSpec class and on the dynamic discovery of window colors.
> (it relies on the searching of all windowColorSpecification implementors).
> Do we want to keep that ?
> I would vote for getting rid of it.

Please remove it! I personally think that the only use of window-colors is to be able
to tell windows appart quickly. (but even that I personally think is not worth having an
ugly UI for). But than *changing* the window color is the last thing that anyone should
be able to do!

        Marcus
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Bart Gauquie
I actually like it that the type of  windows are having different colors. In the bar at the bottom, I can quickly determine monticello browser, test runner, package browser, method finder, just by checking the color. I vote against throwing away the colors. 

The default behaviour of the gray colors is absolutely more suitable than the colored version. 

Kind regards,

Bart

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Alain Plantec wrote:

>
>
> From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
> Date: December 15, 2009 1:52:28 PM GMT+01:00
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: windowColorSpecification
> Reply-To: [hidden email]
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For now, Pharo has kept the squeak color specification framework based on the
> WindowColorSpec class and on the dynamic discovery of window colors.
> (it relies on the searching of all windowColorSpecification implementors).
> Do we want to keep that ?
> I would vote for getting rid of it.

Please remove it! I personally think that the only use of window-colors is to be able
to tell windows appart quickly. (but even that I personally think is not worth having an
ugly UI for). But than *changing* the window color is the last thing that anyone should
be able to do!

       Marcus
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Alain Plantec-4
Bart Gauquie a écrit :
> I actually like it that the type of  windows are having different
> colors. In the bar at the bottom, I can quickly determine monticello
> browser, test runner, package browser, method finder, just by checking
> the color. I vote against throwing away the colors.
Hi Bart,
But we can keep the colors,
For UITheme that make use of them
we can maybe simply use existing defaultColor message as an example.
>
> The default behaviour of the gray colors is absolutely more suitable
> than the colored version.
I'm confused :)

Alain

>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bart
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
>     On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Alain Plantec wrote:
>
>     >
>     >
>     > From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     > Date: December 15, 2009 1:52:28 PM GMT+01:00
>     > To: [hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     > Subject: windowColorSpecification
>     > Reply-To: [hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > For now, Pharo has kept the squeak color specification framework
>     based on the
>     > WindowColorSpec class and on the dynamic discovery of window colors.
>     > (it relies on the searching of all windowColorSpecification
>     implementors).
>     > Do we want to keep that ?
>     > I would vote for getting rid of it.
>
>     Please remove it! I personally think that the only use of
>     window-colors is to be able
>     to tell windows appart quickly. (but even that I personally think
>     is not worth having an
>     ugly UI for). But than *changing* the window color is the last
>     thing that anyone should
>     be able to do!
>
>            Marcus
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>
>
>
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> Albert Einstein
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> Albert Einstein
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Lukas Renggli
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I like the colors too. I cannot work with the OS X theme where
everything looks exactly the same.

Also it would be cool if the transcript could be orange again.

Lukas

2009/12/15 Bart Gauquie <[hidden email]>:

> I actually like it that the type of  windows are having different colors. In
> the bar at the bottom, I can quickly determine monticello browser, test
> runner, package browser, method finder, just by checking the color. I vote
> against throwing away the colors.
> The default behaviour of the gray colors is absolutely more suitable than
> the colored version.
> Kind regards,
>
> Bart
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Alain Plantec wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
>> > Date: December 15, 2009 1:52:28 PM GMT+01:00
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: windowColorSpecification
>> > Reply-To: [hidden email]
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > For now, Pharo has kept the squeak color specification framework based
>> > on the
>> > WindowColorSpec class and on the dynamic discovery of window colors.
>> > (it relies on the searching of all windowColorSpecification
>> > implementors).
>> > Do we want to keep that ?
>> > I would vote for getting rid of it.
>>
>> Please remove it! I personally think that the only use of window-colors is
>> to be able
>> to tell windows appart quickly. (but even that I personally think is not
>> worth having an
>> ugly UI for). But than *changing* the window color is the last thing that
>> anyone should
>> be able to do!
>>
>>        Marcus
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein
> Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere -
> Albert Einstein
> Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing
> is not to stop questioning. - Albert Einstein
> The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. - Albert
> Einstein
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>
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Alain Plantec-4
Hi Lukas,

My purpose is not to remove them.
The question is do we keep WindowColorSpec and related stuffs with
the possibility to change colors from the preference browser,
the "Pale" and "White" color themes ...
My position is that we should not give the possibility to change
window colors individually and simplify window color handling.

Lukas Renggli a écrit :
> I like the colors too. I cannot work with the OS X theme where
> everything looks exactly the same.
>
> Also it would be cool if the transcript could be orange again.
>  
I liked it in orange also :)

Thanks
Alain
> Lukas
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Stéphane Ducasse
alain

I think that if your solution is that we get a color for each kind of tools
but without been able to change it via preference. Then this is ok

Am I correct?

Stef

> Hi Lukas,
>
> My purpose is not to remove them.
> The question is do we keep WindowColorSpec and related stuffs with
> the possibility to change colors from the preference browser,
> the "Pale" and "White" color themes ...
> My position is that we should not give the possibility to change
> window colors individually and simplify window color handling.
>
> Lukas Renggli a écrit :
>> I like the colors too. I cannot work with the OS X theme where
>> everything looks exactly the same.
>>
>> Also it would be cool if the transcript could be orange again.
>>
> I liked it in orange also :)
>
> Thanks
> Alain
>> Lukas
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Lukas Renggli
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> My purpose is not to remove them.
> The question is do we keep WindowColorSpec and related stuffs with
> the possibility to change colors from the preference browser,
> the "Pale" and "White" color themes ...

Yeah sure. I completely agree. I never used those themes.

> My position is that we should not give the possibility to change
> window colors individually and simplify window color handling.

Yep, perfect.

Lukas

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Re: [Fwd: windowColorSpecification]

Michael Rueger-6
Lukas Renggli wrote:
>> My purpose is not to remove them.
>> The question is do we keep WindowColorSpec and related stuffs with
>> the possibility to change colors from the preference browser,
>> the "Pale" and "White" color themes ...
>
> Yeah sure. I completely agree. I never used those themes.

Well, the first thing I always did in my images is to set the theme to
White :-)
Never could stomach the 60's staring back at me through windows colors ;-)


Michael

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