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sergio_101

GUI Applications

It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.

Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?

Thanks!

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abergel

Re: GUI Applications

Hi Sergio,

You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.

Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.

Cheers,

Alexandre

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On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:56 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.

Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?

Thanks!

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
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philippeback

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

I am using Seaside and the UI is web based.

Even if Pharo runs locally.

Maybe Bloc and a VM running on ARM/Android will change this but as most users are using mobile devices, well, that's the best I can target for now.

Phil

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:56 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.

Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?

Thanks!

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

sergio_101

Re: GUI Applications

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is there one GUI framework that is being used more than the others, or that is more mature?

Thanks!

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
> Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.
>

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
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sergio_101

Re: GUI Applications

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yes, but i kind of want to avoid the web.. i just want something that works natively without the headaches of browser incompatibility. I also want an app to feel snappy and able to make OS calls..

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Sergio,
>
> You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
> Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:56 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.
>>
>> Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ----
>> peace,
>> sergio
>> photographer, journalist, visionary
>> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
>> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
>> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
>> http://www.coffee-black.com
>> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
>> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>>
>>
>

----
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sergio
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#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
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abergel

Re: GUI Applications

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Glamour and Spec :-)

Alexandre

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On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:59 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

is there one GUI framework that is being used more than the others, or that is more mature?

Thanks!

On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:

You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

jfabry

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

Hi Sergio,

the standard way to build UIs in Pharo is by using Spec. There is a video of me presenting it at the Pharo Days 2015 that gives you a first overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL23s9ZUIR0&feature=youtu.be&list=PL4actYd6bfnz98ngrKALwwStl3C3odEKG

There is also written documentation that is being updated now, so not really ready yet. One option is a paper of ours which is a bit out of date but still useful: https://hal.inria.fr/hal-00759030/document

HTH,

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> On Jun 6, 2016, at 15:59, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> is there one GUI framework that is being used more than the others, or that is more mature?
>
> Thanks!
>

sergio_101

Re: GUI Applications

Great! Thanks! I will take a look at this..

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> the standard way to build UIs in Pharo is by using Spec. There is a video of me presenting it at the Pharo Days 2015 that gives you a first overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL23s9ZUIR0&feature=youtu.be&list=PL4actYd6bfnz98ngrKALwwStl3C3odEKG

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
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Ben Coman

Re: GUI Applications

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For general UI, use Spec.
For browser** based UI, check Glamour.

**Meaning like Pharo System Browser, not a web browser.
Not sure if there another term that could avoid any confusion?

cheers -ben

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:59 AM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> is there one GUI framework that is being used more than the others, or that is more mature?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
>> Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.
>>
>
> ----
> peace,
> sergio
> photographer, journalist, visionary
> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> http://www.coffee-black.com
> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>

Pavel Krivanek-3

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

On 06/06/16 22:46, sergio ruiz wrote:
> Great! Thanks! I will take a look at this..
>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Johan Fabry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> the standard way to build UIs in Pharo is by using Spec.

When building end-user applications, you're very likely to need Morphic
to make Spec or Glamour do what you need.

Stephan

stepharo

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

I agree with you

this is why we worked on

building Spec (still working on a new tutorial)

cleaning morphic

helping people to rethink the core graphics and all the stack

Stef

Le 6/6/16 à 20:56, sergio ruiz a écrit :

> It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.
>
> Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ----
> peace,
> sergio
> photographer, journalist, visionary
> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> http://www.coffee-black.com
> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>
>
>

stepharo

Re: GUI Applications

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Le 6/6/16 à 22:01, sergio ruiz a écrit :
> yes, but i kind of want to avoid the web.. i just want something that works natively without the headaches of browser incompatibility. I also want an app to feel snappy and able to make OS calls..
me too :)

>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sergio,
>>
>> You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
>> Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>> --
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:56 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.
>>>
>>> Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ----
>>> peace,
>>> sergio
>>> photographer, journalist, visionary
>>> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
>>> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
>>> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
>>> http://www.coffee-black.com
>>> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
>>> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>>>
>>>
> ----
> peace,
> sergio
> photographer, journalist, visionary
> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> http://www.coffee-black.com
> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>

kilon.alios

Re: GUI Applications

Morphic is so far for me my favorite option

Morphic has a lot of ugly code inside it but its by far the most powerful of all, and its not hard at all to implement your own cleaners implementations since the functionality is already there

its also well tested

based on a brilliant design

lacks documentation but it comes with a ton of examples since its what Pharo and Squeak uses
and with its decade old history is by far the most mature.

Its also the best solution for custom designed GUIs which is what I used for my ChronosManager project you can find in Catalog Browser.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:18 AM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Le 6/6/16 à 22:01, sergio ruiz a écrit :
> yes, but i kind of want to avoid the web.. i just want something that works natively without the headaches of browser incompatibility. I also want an app to feel snappy and able to make OS calls..
me too :)

>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sergio,
>>
>> You are very right. Pharo offers several GUI framework, including Spec, Glamour.
>> Check for Deep Into Pharo, a book which talk about theses.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>> --
>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:56 PM, sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy to create a GUI based application.
>>>
>>> Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and distributing GUI applications?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ----
>>> peace,
>>> sergio
>>> photographer, journalist, visionary
>>> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
>>> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
>>> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
>>> http://www.coffee-black.com
>>> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
>>> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>>>
>>>
> ----
> peace,
> sergio
> photographer, journalist, visionary
> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> http://www.coffee-black.com
> http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
>

Petr Fischer

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by Pavel Krivanek-3

Interesting - is possible to write app like CASE diagram editor with this phobos-XUL thing (so a lot of custom drawing to something like canvas), or it's intended rather for "form apps"?

pf

> You may be interested in Phobos:
> https://github.com/pavel-krivanek/phobos-framework
>
> -- Pavel
>
> 2016-06-06 20:56 GMT+02:00 sergio ruiz <[hidden email]>:
>
> > It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on
> > the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy
> > to create a GUI based application.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and
> > distributing GUI applications?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ----
> > peace,
> > sergio
> > photographer, journalist, visionary
> > #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> > http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> > http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> > http://www.coffee-black.com
> > http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
> >
> >
> >

sergio_101

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by kilon.alios

whoa!

chronosmanager is way awesome!

i am going to start using it for my task/pomodoro timer!

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Its also the best solution for custom designed GUIs which is what I used for my ChronosManager project you can find in Catalog Browser.

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

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Pavel Krivanek-3

Re: GUI Applications

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It is possible but not without JavaScript. There is (non Smalltalk) XUL based project of this type.

http://pencil.evolus.vn/Features.html

-- Pavel

2016-06-08 17:13 GMT+02:00 Petr Fischer <[hidden email]>:

Interesting - is possible to write app like CASE diagram editor with this phobos-XUL thing (so a lot of custom drawing to something like canvas), or it's intended rather for "form apps"?

pf

> You may be interested in Phobos:
> https://github.com/pavel-krivanek/phobos-framework
>
> -- Pavel
>
> 2016-06-06 20:56 GMT+02:00 sergio ruiz <[hidden email]>:
>
> > It would seem to me that in order for an ecosystem to really take hold on
> > the part of the users, it’s really important that it’s efficient and easy
> > to create a GUI based application.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on the current state of libraries for creating and
> > distributing GUI applications?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ----
> > peace,
> > sergio
> > photographer, journalist, visionary
> > #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
> > http://www.Village-Buzz.com
> > http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
> > http://www.coffee-black.com
> > http://www.painlessfrugality.com
> > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
> > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101
> >
> >
> >

kilon.alios

Re: GUI Applications

In reply to this post by sergio_101

Thank you Sergio I will be building a ton of new custom GUIs for Pharo for my Ephestos project which ChronosManager is part of , so this is only the beginning of testing the limitations of Morphic ;) Will keep you posted about my progress.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:23 PM sergio ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

whoa!

chronosmanager is way awesome!

i am going to start using it for my task/pomodoro timer!

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Its also the best solution for custom designed GUIs which is what I used for my ChronosManager project you can find in Catalog Browser.

----
peace,
sergio
photographer, journalist, visionary
#BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV
http://www.Village-Buzz.com
http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com
http://www.coffee-black.com
http://www.painlessfrugality.com
http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101
http://www.facebook.com/sergio101