Garbage collection in VW7.7nc
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Does briefly opening a launcher menu and especially the launcher pop menu before invoking GC help ?
I found that the Cached* shareds on TransientWindow could hold onto the app model through the cached menu instance. Especially if you use the new <itemInMenu:position:> style of menu construction where it's often most convenient to use a block as the menu item value. This however should not be different between 7.6 and 7.7 so maybe that's not your problem. It just was what gave same sort of trouble to me recently. BTW, these shareds are now gone in 7.8. HTH, Martin "BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH)"<[hidden email]> wrote: > In VW7.6, when I closed my application and performed a global garbage collection, > the instance with all variable and so on is completely gone. > In VW7.7, the instance stays alive and blocks a lot of memory. > Inspection of the reference paths - aborts. > Inspection of owners brings a long list. > How can I determine who really holds the instance ? > > Karl > > __________________________________________________________ > Karl Breith > AREVA NP GmbH > FDWN-G > > Postfach 1109 > 91001 Erlangen > Phone: +49 (0) 9131 900 95544 > Fax: +49 (0) 9131 900 94081 > mail to: [hidden email] > An AREVA and Siemens company > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Olivier Wantz - Geschäftsführer: Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Erlangen - Registergericht: Fürth, HRB 7817 - www.areva-np.com - Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE 206407096 > Supervisory Board Chairman: Olivier Wantz - Managing Directors: Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > Company Seat: Erlangen - Commercial Registries Fürth, HRB 7817 - www.areva-np.com - VAT ID code: DE 206407096 > Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder Geschäftsgeheimnisse bzw. sonstige vertrauliche Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, ist Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielfältigung oder Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank. > Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: Garbage collection in VW7.7nc
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No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher System->GlobalGarbageCollect
anyway, but the instance remains.
In VW7.6:
I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector returns an empty list.
In VW7.7:
I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector aborts when isGCSpecialClass is
sent to an AbsentBehaviorShell inside the trace: method of the ReferencePathCollector.
This is also the answer to Alan Knight: It is not running out of memory.
This abort happens also when just inspecting [hidden email] and trying to get the reference pathes.
Karl
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"BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH)"<[hidden email]> wrote:
> No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher System->GlobalGarbageCollect > anyway, but the instance remains. The garbage collect item is not on the pop-up menu, it's on the menu bar menu. By pop-up menu I meant the menu you get if you right-click on the transcript area. It can actually be any pop-up menu other than one created by your app-model. Just to replace the cached menu with something that's guaranteed to be benign. _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
Re: Garbage collection in VW7.7nc
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Hmm, the fact that you have an AbsentBehaviorShell that is
being traced by that seems to suggest it might somehow be related to
uninstalled parcel code. But regardless, I would just implement that
method on AbsentBehaviorShell as ^false and see if that helps. You might
also have to implement a couple more that are also sent in that message,
but it's not clear.
At 12:00 PM 2010-02-02, BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) wrote: No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher System->GlobalGarbageCollect --
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Re: Garbage collection in VW7.7nc
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Implementing the isGCSpecialClass in the
AbsentBehaviorShell allows the ReferencePathCollector to
collect.
The result is empty, but still the instance of the
application stays alive after global garbage collection,
whereas in VW7.6, the instance is
garbage-collected.
Since there is no reference path left, I don't understand
why the instance is kept.
Karl
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Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you for your cooperation. Von: Alan Knight [mailto:[hidden email]] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 00:20 An: BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH); [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Betreff: Re: [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc At 12:00 PM 2010-02-02, BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) wrote: No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher System->GlobalGarbageCollect --
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Re: Garbage collection in VW7.7nc
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BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) wrote:
> Implementing the isGCSpecialClass in the AbsentBehaviorShell allows > the ReferencePathCollector to collect. > The result is empty, but still the instance of the application stays > alive after global garbage collection, > whereas in VW7.6, the instance is garbage-collected. > Since there is no reference path left, I don't understand why the > instance is kept. Maybe more agressive garbage collection might help, in the package ForceFinalization in the public repository you will find a simple extension that repeatedly garbagecollects until nothing finalizes. R - > > Karl > > > __________________________________________________________ > Karl Breith > *AREVA NP GmbH* > FDWN-G > > Postfach 1109 > 91001 Erlangen > Phone: +49 (0) 9131 900 95544 > Fax: +49 (0) 9131 900 94081 > mail to: _Karl-Albert.Breith@areva.com_ > <mailto:[hidden email]> > An AREVA and Siemens company > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Olivier Wantz - Geschäftsführer: > Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Erlangen - Registergericht: Fürth, HRB 7817 - > _www.areva-np.com_ <http://www.areva-np.com/> - Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE > 206407096 > Supervisory Board Chairman: Olivier Wantz - Managing Directors: Ulrich > Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > Company Seat: Erlangen - Commercial Registries Fürth, HRB 7817 - > _www.areva-np.com_ <http://www.areva-np.com/> - VAT ID code: DE 206407096 > /Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder > Geschäftsgeheimnisse bzw. sonstige vertrauliche Informationen > enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, ist > Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielfältigung oder > Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen > Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank./ > > /Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, > undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have > received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any > review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please > inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you > for your cooperation./ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* Alan Knight [mailto:[hidden email]] > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 00:20 > *An:* BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH); [hidden email] > *Cc:* [hidden email] > *Betreff:* Re: [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc > > Hmm, the fact that you have an AbsentBehaviorShell that is being > traced by that seems to suggest it might somehow be related to > uninstalled parcel code. But regardless, I would just implement that > method on AbsentBehaviorShell as ^false and see if that helps. You > might also have to implement a couple more that are also sent in that > message, but it's not clear. > > At 12:00 PM 2010-02-02, BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) wrote: >> No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher >> System->GlobalGarbageCollect >> anyway, but the instance remains. >> >> In VW7.6: >> I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector returns >> an empty list. >> >> In VW7.7: >> I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector aborts >> when isGCSpecialClass is >> sent to an AbsentBehaviorShell inside the trace: method of the >> ReferencePathCollector. >> >> This is also the answer to Alan Knight: It is not running out of memory. >> This abort happens also when just inspecting 2@2 <mailto:2@2> and >> trying to get the reference pathes. >> <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" >> /><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />see attached document. >> >> Karl >> >> ----------------------- >> Karl Breith >> AREVA NP GmbH >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Von:* [hidden email] [ mailto:[hidden email]] >> *Gesendet:* Di 02.02.2010 16:49 >> *An:* BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) >> *Cc:* [hidden email] >> *Betreff:* [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc >> >> Does briefly opening a launcher menu and especially the launcher pop >> menu before invoking GC help ? >> I found that the Cached* shareds on TransientWindow could hold onto >> the app model through the cached menu instance. Especially if you use >> the new <itemInMenu:position:> style of menu construction where it's >> often most convenient to use a block as the menu item value. >> >> This however should not be different between 7.6 and 7.7 so maybe >> that's not your problem. It just was what gave same sort of trouble >> to me recently. BTW, these shareds are now gone in 7.8. >> >> HTH, >> >> Martin >> >> "BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP >> GmbH)"<[hidden email]> wrote: >> > In VW7.6, when I closed my application and performed a global >> garbage collection, >> > the instance with all variable and so on is completely gone. >> > In VW7.7, the instance stays alive and blocks a lot of memory. >> > Inspection of the reference paths - aborts. >> > Inspection of owners brings a long list. >> > How can I determine who really holds the instance ? >> > >> > Karl >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > Karl Breith >> > AREVA NP GmbH >> > FDWN-G >> > >> > Postfach 1109 >> > 91001 Erlangen >> > Phone: +49 (0) 9131 900 95544 >> > Fax: +49 (0) 9131 900 94081 >> > mail to: [hidden email] >> > An AREVA and Siemens company >> > >> > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Olivier Wantz - Geschäftsführer: >> Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein >> > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Erlangen - Registergericht: Fürth, HRB 7817 >> - www.areva-np.com <http://www.areva-np.com/> - Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE >> 206407096 >> > Supervisory Board Chairman: Olivier Wantz - Managing Directors: >> Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein >> > Company Seat: Erlangen - Commercial Registries Fürth, HRB 7817 - >> www.areva-np.com <http://www.areva-np.com/> - VAT ID code: DE 206407096 >> > Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder >> Geschäftsgeheimnisse bzw. sonstige vertrauliche Informationen >> enthalten. 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At least in 7.6 there was still the long-standing problem with things not getting garbage collected because a (closed) Debugger was holding onto them.
http://www.parcplace.net/list/vwnc-archive/0605/msg00143.html Open a Process Monitor, select a non-critical process (e.g. a Package Browser at priority 50), Debug it, Proceed it, and close the Process Monitor. WindowManager purgeDeadWindows. Global gc. If it's not already in 7.7, it would be great if Terry Raymond's correction to the debugger would be added (see link in above message). It's worked perfectly for us for the last 4 years. Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of Reinout Heeck > Sent: 03 February 2010 11:43 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc > > BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) wrote: > > Implementing the isGCSpecialClass in the AbsentBehaviorShell allows > > the ReferencePathCollector to collect. > > The result is empty, but still the instance of the application stays > > alive after global garbage collection, > > whereas in VW7.6, the instance is garbage-collected. > > Since there is no reference path left, I don't understand why the > > instance is kept. > Maybe more agressive garbage collection might help, in the package > ForceFinalization in the public repository you will find a simple > extension that repeatedly garbagecollects until nothing finalizes. > > R > - > > > > > > > Karl > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Karl Breith > > *AREVA NP GmbH* > > FDWN-G > > > > Postfach 1109 > > 91001 Erlangen > > Phone: +49 (0) 9131 900 95544 > > Fax: +49 (0) 9131 900 94081 > > mail to: _Karl-Albert.Breith@areva.com_ > > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > An AREVA and Siemens company > > > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Olivier Wantz - Geschäftsführer: > > Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Erlangen - Registergericht: Fürth, HRB 7817 - > > _www.areva-np.com_ <http://www.areva-np.com/> - Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE > > 206407096 > > Supervisory Board Chairman: Olivier Wantz - Managing Directors: > Ulrich > > Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > > Company Seat: Erlangen - Commercial Registries Fürth, HRB 7817 - > > _www.areva-np.com_ <http://www.areva-np.com/> - VAT ID code: DE > 206407096 > > /Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder > > Geschäftsgeheimnisse bzw. sonstige vertrauliche Informationen > > enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, ist > > Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielfältigung oder > > Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen > > Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank./ > > > > /Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or privileged, > > undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If you have > > received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any > > review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please > > inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank you > > for your cooperation./ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > *Von:* Alan Knight [mailto:[hidden email]] > > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 3. Februar 2010 00:20 > > *An:* BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH); [hidden email] > > *Cc:* [hidden email] > > *Betreff:* Re: [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc > > > > Hmm, the fact that you have an AbsentBehaviorShell that is being > > traced by that seems to suggest it might somehow be related to > > uninstalled parcel code. But regardless, I would just implement that > > method on AbsentBehaviorShell as ^false and see if that helps. You > > might also have to implement a couple more that are also sent in that > > message, but it's not clear. > > > > At 12:00 PM 2010-02-02, BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) > wrote: > >> No, I am using the pop-menu of VisualLauncher > >> System->GlobalGarbageCollect > >> anyway, but the instance remains. > >> > >> In VW7.6: > >> I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector returns > >> an empty list. > >> > >> In VW7.7: > >> I open my application, I close it. Reference path collector aborts > >> when isGCSpecialClass is > >> sent to an AbsentBehaviorShell inside the trace: method of the > >> ReferencePathCollector. > >> > >> This is also the answer to Alan Knight: It is not running out of > memory. > >> This abort happens also when just inspecting 2@2 <mailto:2@2> and > >> trying to get the reference pathes. > >> <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" > >> /><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = > >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />see attached document. > >> > >> Karl > >> > >> ----------------------- > >> Karl Breith > >> AREVA NP GmbH > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >> *Von:* [hidden email] [ mailto:[hidden email]] > >> *Gesendet:* Di 02.02.2010 16:49 > >> *An:* BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP GmbH) > >> *Cc:* [hidden email] > >> *Betreff:* [vwnc] Garbage collection in VW7.7nc > >> > >> Does briefly opening a launcher menu and especially the launcher pop > >> menu before invoking GC help ? > >> I found that the Cached* shareds on TransientWindow could hold onto > >> the app model through the cached menu instance. Especially if you > use > >> the new <itemInMenu:position:> style of menu construction where it's > >> often most convenient to use a block as the menu item value. > >> > >> This however should not be different between 7.6 and 7.7 so maybe > >> that's not your problem. It just was what gave same sort of trouble > >> to me recently. BTW, these shareds are now gone in 7.8. > >> > >> HTH, > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> "BREITH Karl-Albert FDWN5-G (AREVA NP > >> GmbH)"<[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > In VW7.6, when I closed my application and performed a global > >> garbage collection, > >> > the instance with all variable and so on is completely gone. > >> > In VW7.7, the instance stays alive and blocks a lot of memory. > >> > Inspection of the reference paths - aborts. > >> > Inspection of owners brings a long list. > >> > How can I determine who really holds the instance ? > >> > > >> > Karl > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________________ > >> > Karl Breith > >> > AREVA NP GmbH > >> > FDWN-G > >> > > >> > Postfach 1109 > >> > 91001 Erlangen > >> > Phone: +49 (0) 9131 900 95544 > >> > Fax: +49 (0) 9131 900 94081 > >> > mail to: [hidden email] > >> > An AREVA and Siemens company > >> > > >> > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Olivier Wantz - Geschäftsführer: > >> Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > >> > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Erlangen - Registergericht: Fürth, HRB 7817 > >> - www.areva-np.com <http://www.areva-np.com/> - Umsatzsteuer-ID: DE > >> 206407096 > >> > Supervisory Board Chairman: Olivier Wantz - Managing Directors: > >> Ulrich Gräber, Rüdiger Steuerlein > >> > Company Seat: Erlangen - Commercial Registries Fürth, HRB 7817 - > >> www.areva-np.com <http://www.areva-np.com/> - VAT ID code: DE > 206407096 > >> > Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail kann Betriebs- oder > >> Geschäftsgeheimnisse bzw. sonstige vertrauliche Informationen > >> enthalten. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, ist > >> Ihnen eine Kenntnisnahme des Inhalts, eine Vervielfältigung oder > >> Weitergabe der E-Mail ausdrücklich untersagt. Bitte benachrichtigen > >> Sie uns und vernichten Sie die empfangene E-Mail. Vielen Dank. > >> > Important Note: This e-mail may contain trade secrets or > >> privileged, undisclosed or otherwise confidential information. If > you > >> have received this e-mail in error, you are hereby notified that any > >> review, copying or distribution of it is strictly prohibited. Please > >> inform us immediately and destroy the original transmittal. Thank > you > >> for your cooperation. > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > vwnc mailing list > >> > [hidden email] > >> > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> vwnc mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > > > -- > > Alan Knight [|], Engineering Manager, Cincom Smalltalk > > [hidden email] > > [hidden email] > > http://www.cincom.com/smalltalk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > vwnc mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc > > > > -- > ********************************************************************* > > Dit e-mailbericht is alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerde(n). > > Gebruik door anderen is niet toegestaan. Indien u niet > degeadresseerde(n) bent wordt u verzocht de verzender hiervan op de > hoogte te stellen en het bericht te verwijderen. Door de elektronische > verzending kunnen aan de inhoud van dit bericht geen rechten worden > ontleend. > > Soops B.V. is gevestigd te Amsterdam, Nederland, en is geregistreerd > bij de Kamer van Koophandel onder nummer 33240368. > Soops B.V. levert volgens de Fenit voorwaarden, gedeponeerd te Den Haag > op 8 december 1994 onder nummer 1994/189. > ********************************************************************** > > This e-mail message is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. > > If you are not the intended recipient you are kindly requested not to > make any use whatsoever of the contents and to notify the sender > immediately by returning this e-mail message. No rights can be derived > from this message. > > Soops B.V. is a private limited liability company and has its seat at > Amsterdam, The Netherlands and is registered with the Trade Registry of > the Chamber of Commerce and Industry under number 33240368. > Soops B.V. delivers according to the General Terms and Conditions of > Business of Fenit, registered at The Hague, The Netherlands on December > 8th, 1994, under number 1994/189 > ********************************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc _______________________________________________ vwnc mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc |
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