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Thinking about what is already under amber-smalltalk umbrella (brikz) and what probably should be (amd-config-builder; both are generic things that are used in amber but are not amber specific), and also of existing amber-smalltalk being a bit awkward and long, I have an idea that the name of organization account may benefit from renaming to something shorter and generically sounding. Like, amberi, amberoo, ambert, amberth or amberge and not yet taken (ambero, amberon and amberg are). Herby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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I don't like the idea of moving the repo to another url. (and
amber-smalltalk sounds ok to me :) ) Nico Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> writes: > Hello! > > Thinking about what is already under amber-smalltalk umbrella (brikz) > and what probably should be (amd-config-builder; both are generic things > that are used in amber but are not amber specific), and also of existing > amber-smalltalk being a bit awkward and long, I have an idea that the > name of organization account may benefit from renaming to something > shorter and generically sounding. > > Like, amberi, amberoo, ambert, amberth or amberge and not yet taken > (ambero, amberon and amberg are). > > Herby -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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amber-smalltalk is a fantastic name, changing it because we needed to do some tools to make the main product is no good reason to me
from iPad > On 26/08/2014, at 10:37, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hello! > > Thinking about what is already under amber-smalltalk umbrella (brikz) and what probably should be (amd-config-builder; both are generic things that are used in amber but are not amber specific), and also of existing amber-smalltalk being a bit awkward and long, I have an idea that the name of organization account may benefit from renaming to something shorter and generically sounding. > > Like, amberi, amberoo, ambert, amberth or amberge and not yet taken (ambero, amberon and amberg are). > > Herby > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Amber-Smalltalk is okay to me as well. It is hard enough to say "Amber" when you have "EmberJs"...
Phil On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, seb <[hidden email]> wrote: amber-smalltalk is a fantastic name, changing it because we needed to do some tools to make the main product is no good reason to me You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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[hidden email] <[hidden email]> writes: > Amber-Smalltalk is okay to me as well. > > It is hard enough to say "Amber" when you have "EmberJs"... well, Amber did come first, but... > > Phil > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, seb <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> amber-smalltalk is a fantastic name, changing it because we needed to do >> some tools to make the main product is no good reason to me >> >> from iPad >> >> > On 26/08/2014, at 10:37, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > Hello! >> > >> > Thinking about what is already under amber-smalltalk umbrella (brikz) >> and what probably should be (amd-config-builder; both are generic things >> that are used in amber but are not amber specific), and also of existing >> amber-smalltalk being a bit awkward and long, I have an idea that the name >> of organization account may benefit from renaming to something shorter and >> generically sounding. >> > >> > Like, amberi, amberoo, ambert, amberth or amberge and not yet taken >> (ambero, amberon and amberg are). >> > >> > Herby >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "amber-lang" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to [hidden email]. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "amber-lang" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [hidden email]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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its also hard to say C++ and C# when you have C , I will file a complain to those languages shortly, this is unacceptable :D I agree with Nicolas I see little reason to change names.
This has been discussed also in Pharo dev and as I said there , its not the name that is important but the content , if you really care about coding. I don't think you will find many people avoiding learning a language because of bad name, because if that was the case pretty much every language out there would be impossible to find a user. Especially the popular ones.
Amber is actually one of the coolest names I have heard for a language. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote:
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kilon alios <[hidden email]>napísal/a: Amber is actually one of the coolest names I have heard for a language. Misunderstanding rules the world. :-) It was about renaming the github organization name, which is 'amber-smalltalk' now. Compare this long, awkward dash-separated name with, say nodejitsu or learnboost or flatiron or nearly any github org name with some known piece of SW. 'amber-smalltalk' cries out (IMO only, as I see others are fine with it, so it may be my problem) of inability to find something better-looking. If I had seen it for the first time, I would get repelled slightly by seeing the two-word, dash-separated name. It signals 'amateurish' to me. Or, too nerdy. I would feel uneasy. But if it poses no problem for all of you, it's probably me being too sensitive and overpricing the first impression. Never did I propose to change the name of Amber itself. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, seb <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> amber-smalltalk is a fantastic name, changing it because we needed to do >> some tools to make the main product is no good reason to me >> >> from iPad >> >> > On 26/08/2014, at 10:37, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > Hello! >> > >> > Thinking about what is already under amber-smalltalk umbrella (brikz) >> and what probably should be (amd-config-builder; both are generic things >> that are used in amber but are not amber specific), and also of existing >> amber-smalltalk being a bit awkward and long, I have an idea that the name >> of organization account may benefit from renaming to something shorter and >> generically sounding. >> > >> > Like, amberi, amberoo, ambert, amberth or amberge and not yet taken >> (ambero, amberon and amberg are). >> > >> > Herby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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I did not misunderstand you I just was not clear , I don't think amber-smalltalk is a bad name for organisation. I dont have a big saying on the issue since I am a very minor contributor and you dont have to apologize you raised a reasonable question, your reasoning is very logical and you asked for opinion . What I stated is just my opinion.
But then I am Greek , so no name for me is too long :D I dont understand why amber-smalltalk sounds too nerdy to you but then I am no nerd myself to have a deep insight. For me it looks like a name with a clear meaning. But as I said already the name bares little significance to me.
PS: I also dont know how google search or github search works exactly but its for the benefit of Amber to have "smallatalk" inside for those that look for a smalltalk implementation in github or google. Probably the name of the organisation is not really needed since the word "smalltalk" is mentioned several times in the readme but none the less if it get a handful of people to contribute to Amber that certainly wont be a bad thing. On the other hand in practice that may bare no significance at all so I will leave it to your capable hands since you have much more experience on web things than me.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote:
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kilon alios <[hidden email]>napísal/a: I did not misunderstand you I just was not clear , I don't think amber-smalltalk is a bad name for organisation. Ah, sorry. Than I misundetstood. But then I am Greek , so no name for me is too long :D You can't beat Germans on that, I would assume :-) I dont understand why amber-smalltalk sounds too nerdy to you but ... Well, by 'nerdy' I meant something like 'too technical'. I can see a scene with a classroom full of superintellingent Chinese students or something like that come up with similar name for an organisation or for a domain... yes, it is correct, but it sort-of raises some doubt. i remember my feelings when I searched for Pharo having heard of it, and when I saw their domain was pharo-project.org or something similar, I began to doubt the thing automatically. Like, maybe there are couple of geniuses there, but can it setiuosly succeed if it has such crappy domain? Do they take it seriously? Of course, this is ovet for me _now_, but it _was_ an obstacle I needed to overcome. Maybe there are people out there who did not... On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: kilon alios <[hidden email]>napísal/a: Amber is actually one of the coolest names I have heard for a language. Misunderstanding rules the world. :-) It was about renaming the github organization name, which is 'amber-smalltalk' now. Compare this long, awkward dash-separated name with, say nodejitsu or learnboost or flatiron or nearly any github org name with some known piece of SW. 'amber-smalltalk' cries out (IMO only, as I see others are fine with it, so it may be my problem) of inability to find something better-looking. If I had seen it for the first time, I would get repelled slightly by seeing the two-word, dash-separated name. It signals 'amateurish' to me. Or, too nerdy. I would feel uneasy. But if it poses no problem for all of you, it's probably me being too sensitive and overpricing the first impression. Never did I propose to change the name of Amber itself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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That's actually quite fun to see that we all react differently :) I
myself never thought that with pharo-project or amber-smalltalk. But I can imagine the feeling that you had when you saw it for the first time. Nico Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> writes: > kilon alios <[hidden email]>napísal/a: > > I did not misunderstand you I just was not clear , I don't think amber-smalltalk is a bad name for organisation. > > Ah, sorry. Than I misundetstood. > > > > But then I am Greek , so no name for me is too long :D > > You can't beat Germans on that, I would assume :-) > > > I dont understand why amber-smalltalk sounds too nerdy to you but ... > > Well, by 'nerdy' I meant something like 'too technical'. I can see a scene with a classroom full of superintellingent Chinese students or something like that come up with similar name for an organisation or for a domain... yes, it is correct, but it sort-of raises some doubt. i remember my feelings when I searched for Pharo having heard of it, and when I saw their domain was pharo-project.org or something similar, I began to doubt the thing automatically. Like, maybe there are couple of geniuses there, but can it setiuosly succeed if it has such crappy domain? Do they take it seriously? Of course, this is ovet for me _now_, but it _was_ an obstacle I needed to overcome. Maybe there are people out there who did not... > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Herby Vojčík <[hidden email]> wrote: > > kilon alios <[hidden email]>napísal/a: > > Amber is actually one of the coolest names I have heard for a language. > Misunderstanding rules the world. :-) > It was about renaming the github organization name, which is 'amber-smalltalk' now. Compare this long, awkward dash-separated name with, say nodejitsu or learnboost or flatiron or nearly any github org name with some known piece of SW. 'amber-smalltalk' cries out (IMO only, as I see others are fine with it, so it may be my problem) of inability to find something better-looking. If I had seen it for the first time, I would get repelled slightly by seeing the two-word, dash-separated name. It signals 'amateurish' to me. Or, too nerdy. I would feel uneasy. > But if it poses no problem for all of you, it's probably me being too sensitive and overpricing the first impression. > Never did I propose to change the name of Amber itself. -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Smalltalk is an orchestra of time-tuned productivity features. As Einstein would say, "as simple as possible, but not any simpler..."
-- Programmers living in a lower paradigm, where the world is still flat, aren't able to understand the benefits of the entire Smalltalk environment, code re-use, abstraction capabilities and true object orientation. In my opinion, Smalltalk's time is yet to come. More on Amber below. Over the past 15 years, an eCommerce platform we've built using Smalltalk has continued to evolve. We've learned to keep the word "Smalltalk" out of our sales presentations, as it was not buzz-word compliant. We've lost too many sales. Yet our commerce web solutions were developed in record time, with robust deployments. To this day, if an issue arises in a live system, we have a debugger pop-up preserving the exact context of any issues, enabling us to adjust, recompile and continue on-the-fly. I cringe to think how such issue would be resolved in the paradigm of a flat world (PHP, Java, C++ and other less-dynamic environments). Limitations of Smalltalk, for server-based deployments relate to support for current CPUs and multi-processor architectures. The Java and .NET environments have this as a core feature to support large-scale deployments. Recently, I've been following Essence#, a quality ANSI compliant Smalltalk that runs on top of the .NET virtual machine (and Mono eventually). It supports multi-threaded Smalltalk. Although, like Amber, Essence# is not yet ready for prime-time, there are promising rays of light. In the near future, I envision Essence# server-side with Amber client-side apps. I believe Smalltalk's time is yet to come. So, the name Amber-Smalltalk is just fine. Smalltalk-like features will be highly desirable to a much broader audience. Amber, executing on JavaScript virtual machines will help Smalltalk's proliferation. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "amber-lang" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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