[Glass] Debugging in GemTools and "undefined symbol"
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[Glass] Debugging in GemTools and "undefined symbol"
 
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Hi guys.
While I am debugging from GemTools I notice that the debugger facilities are quite different that from say Pharo. In GemStone I can move around the stack (restart, proceed, into, etc), I can inspect/explore the instance variables or context variables (on the bottom part of the debugger), etc. But what I cannot do is to print/inspect/do pieces of random code inside the executing method. That would only work if I don't refer to any temp or inst variable.
So...is this a known issue? Are there workarounds? _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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I'm afraid these are things you get used to in gemtools :-/
Luckily, it's not the place to develop most of your code... Johan On 17 Dec 2013, at 14:07, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi guys. > > While I am debugging from GemTools I notice that the debugger facilities are quite different that from say Pharo. In GemStone I can move around the stack (restart, proceed, into, etc), I can inspect/explore the instance variables or context variables (on the bottom part of the debugger), etc. But what I cannot do is to print/inspect/do pieces of random code inside the executing method. That would only work if I don't refer to any temp or inst variable. > > So...is this a known issue? Are there workarounds? > > Thanks! > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > Glass mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Johan Brichau <[hidden email]> wrote: I'm afraid these are things you get used to in gemtools :-/ Ok, I feel better I am not the only one ;)
Luckily, it's not the place to develop most of your code... Indeed. But my question was more about if it was a problem of GemTools (hoping tODE could solve this) or a more technical problem (like context reification , debugger temp map, etc...)
Thanks! Johan Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <[hidden email]>Frankly I don't recall the technical reason that temps were not made available in the GemTools debugger ... our compiler is written in C and does not have as many entry points as the Pharo compiler so "faking a method context" when doing evaluation within debugger frame could be a bit difficult to accomplish ... then again, I might not have been smart enough when I wrote the debugger chunk ... I haven't added menus to the text windows yet in tODE, but now that you've mentioned this I will take a closer look at making this happen in tODE ... Dale
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Dale K. Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
Actually is neither temps or instance variables. The only thing I seem to have access to is "self".
I can imagine the difficulties, that's why I asked ;) OK, so at least you confirm the limitations and I am not doing something wrong.
I don't know what you mean by "added menus to the text windows". For me, there most important thing from GemTools is the ability to debug a problem from the ObjectLog. So..that's why I would like the most from tODE: the debugger.
Thanks!
Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <[hidden email]>There is a reason that you are not using tODE today (actually several:) ... I have a list of `must have` features to add to tODE[1] before letting folks use it and adding menus to text windows as well as debugging ObjectLog are on the list ...I have been focusing on the "new and different" capabilities/functionality of tODE at the expense of not addressing the "obviously needed but relatively straightforward" capabilities/functionality ... The base _has_ to be solid before building too much on top of it:). I _am_ making slow, but steady progress[2]. Dale [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/tode/issues?direction=desc&page=1&sort=updated&state=open [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/tode/commits/dev _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Dale K. Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:
Coool! I am glad to see your progress. If I can be beta tester let me know.
Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <[hidden email]>I really feel that the "must haves" are required before I get beta testers involved, I have learned quite a bit about what tODE should be, but some of the functionality dates from the very earliest days of tODE and needs to be rewritten:) before foisting upon any one else:) ... At the same time I realize that it is impractical to completely rewrite the system before going into beta, because even as it stands today tODE is a better option than GemTools ... but some of the work must be done... Dale _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck
On 12/17/2013 07:03 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> > But my question was more about if it was a problem of GemTools (hoping > tODE could solve this) or a more technical problem (like context > reification , debugger temp map, etc...) > Today, there are some technical difficulties. The GBS debugger stands on its head in order to allow do-its in a server context to access arguments and temporaries and assign to temporaries. It's a rather ugly hack, but it is possible. We want to look at what it might take to make this easier to implement, but I don't believe we've scheduled that inquiry. Regards, -Martin _______________________________________________ Glass mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass |
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