[Glass] GS for OSX

I've been playing with the new GS for OSX and it's everything a one button mouse user could ask for :)

I only have one feature request - the ability to set the netldi port along with the name. That would save having to update the configurations… unless I can use the name rather than the port. Just thought of that while typing - will have to give it a try.

Also, keen to know what's going to happen when we can create Logins… A OSX native tODE? Now that would be awesome!

Thanks for the great app!

Cheers,

Jupiter
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Charles,

Good question, and the answer is no, we do not expect people to deploy on a Mac. The goal is to make development easier, especially for those who are using Smalltalk but have not tried GemStone. Take a look a what machines Smalltalk developers are using (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201373129904046) and you get an idea of what I have in mind.

Jupiter,

You have several options: (1) you can enter a port number in the field that currently has a name, (2) you can add the name & port to your local /etc/services, and (3) if you start your client from a shell that has the proper environment (e.g., using the 'Terminal' button), then the name should map properly to the port.

As to a client UI, at first I was thinking of duplicating Jade for Windows (http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/jade/), but now I'm leaning toward a web-based suite of tools (https://github.com/jgfoster/webtools). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

question, not trying to be critical, the mac app does look great and I can see how its very helpful for development purposes but folks would not really deploy on a Mac OS X server ? or would they ?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Jupiter Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been playing with the new GS for OSX and it's everything a one button mouse user could ask for :)

I only have one feature request - the ability to set the netldi port along with the name. That would save having to update the configurations… unless I can use the name rather than the port. Just thought of that while typing - will have to give it a try.

Also, keen to know what's going to happen when we can create Logins… A OSX native tODE? Now that would be awesome!

Thanks for the great app!

Cheers,

Jupiter
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I think that most of the ESUG attendees were either employed or students. ;-)

If you are developing a web-based application you could certainly use a Mac for development (with testing on a Windows machine). I'm also looking at making it easier to use a hosted server for GemStone/S development.

I'm not really a good person to give advice on Ruby (including MagLev) since I'd do my best to stay with Smalltalk.

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

the other question is how many of those are employed :), anyhow I do use a Mac mini as my main dev machine but have Windows on vmware  since our clients deploy the UI apps on Window boxes, sure webtools would be fine, in the case of maglev would you use Sinatra?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

Charles,

Good question, and the answer is no, we do not expect people to deploy on a Mac. The goal is to make development easier, especially for those who are using Smalltalk but have not tried GemStone. Take a look a what machines Smalltalk developers are using (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201373129904046) and you get an idea of what I have in mind.

Jupiter,

You have several options: (1) you can enter a port number in the field that currently has a name, (2) you can add the name & port to your local /etc/services, and (3) if you start your client from a shell that has the proper environment (e.g., using the 'Terminal' button), then the name should map properly to the port.

As to a client UI, at first I was thinking of duplicating Jade for Windows (http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/jade/), but now I'm leaning toward a web-based suite of tools (https://github.com/jgfoster/webtools). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

question, not trying to be critical, the mac app does look great and I can see how its very helpful for development purposes but folks would not really deploy on a Mac OS X server ? or would they ?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Jupiter Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been playing with the new GS for OSX and it's everything a one button mouse user could ask for :)

I only have one feature request - the ability to set the netldi port along with the name. That would save having to update the configurations… unless I can use the name rather than the port. Just thought of that while typing - will have to give it a try.

Also, keen to know what's going to happen when we can create Logins… A OSX native tODE? Now that would be awesome!

Thanks for the great app!

Cheers,

Jupiter
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I'm working on the PaaS support (did you catch my ESUG presentation at https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/video-of-esug-2013-presentation/?). I'd be interested in working with a few people who would like to have GemStone as a PaaS. 

As to interfacing Ruby to GS, see https://github.com/jgfoster/topaz_web, https://github.com/jgfoster/gemstone_ruby_sample, and https://github.com/jgfoster/gemstone_ruby (this is hard-coded to 3.1.0.4 for now). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

good man, unlike those traitors that darted over from Cincom to Google :)

One of the reasons I don't use Gemstone/ S for my own pet projects is because I can't get any Paas support,and  its just too costly (for me) to keep a server up on EC2, the other issue would be a lightweight way of doing http service calls to GS , perhaps have a Ruby C lib interface to a linked gem ?, with something like Sinatra backed by a fast http server fronting it, not convinced that Seaside  on GS or Aida will scale, I actually have local clients doing http calls i,e. not a web app

Gemstone / S is awesome but I wont' be interfacing to it via VW any more and thus that changes the proposition for me which is why Maglev has peaked my interest but ti seems that project is stagnating

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think that most of the ESUG attendees were either employed or students. ;-)

If you are developing a web-based application you could certainly use a Mac for development (with testing on a Windows machine). I'm also looking at making it easier to use a hosted server for GemStone/S development.

I'm not really a good person to give advice on Ruby (including MagLev) since I'd do my best to stay with Smalltalk.

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

the other question is how many of those are employed :), anyhow I do use a Mac mini as my main dev machine but have Windows on vmware  since our clients deploy the UI apps on Window boxes, sure webtools would be fine, in the case of maglev would you use Sinatra?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

Charles,

Good question, and the answer is no, we do not expect people to deploy on a Mac. The goal is to make development easier, especially for those who are using Smalltalk but have not tried GemStone. Take a look a what machines Smalltalk developers are using (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201373129904046) and you get an idea of what I have in mind.

Jupiter,

You have several options: (1) you can enter a port number in the field that currently has a name, (2) you can add the name & port to your local /etc/services, and (3) if you start your client from a shell that has the proper environment (e.g., using the 'Terminal' button), then the name should map properly to the port.

As to a client UI, at first I was thinking of duplicating Jade for Windows (http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/jade/), but now I'm leaning toward a web-based suite of tools (https://github.com/jgfoster/webtools). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

question, not trying to be critical, the mac app does look great and I can see how its very helpful for development purposes but folks would not really deploy on a Mac OS X server ? or would they ?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Jupiter Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been playing with the new GS for OSX and it's everything a one button mouse user could ask for :)

I only have one feature request - the ability to set the netldi port along with the name. That would save having to update the configurations… unless I can use the name rather than the port. Just thought of that while typing - will have to give it a try.

Also, keen to know what's going to happen when we can create Logins… A OSX native tODE? Now that would be awesome!

Thanks for the great app!

Cheers,

Jupiter
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On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

Where can I read about the "new GS for OSX" ?

Thanks, 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:43 PM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm working on the PaaS support (did you catch my ESUG presentation at https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/video-of-esug-2013-presentation/?). I'd be interested in working with a few people who would like to have GemStone as a PaaS. 

As to interfacing Ruby to GS, see https://github.com/jgfoster/topaz_web, https://github.com/jgfoster/gemstone_ruby_sample, and https://github.com/jgfoster/gemstone_ruby (this is hard-coded to 3.1.0.4 for now). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

good man, unlike those traitors that darted over from Cincom to Google :)

One of the reasons I don't use Gemstone/ S for my own pet projects is because I can't get any Paas support,and  its just too costly (for me) to keep a server up on EC2, the other issue would be a lightweight way of doing http service calls to GS , perhaps have a Ruby C lib interface to a linked gem ?, with something like Sinatra backed by a fast http server fronting it, not convinced that Seaside  on GS or Aida will scale, I actually have local clients doing http calls i,e. not a web app

Gemstone / S is awesome but I wont' be interfacing to it via VW any more and thus that changes the proposition for me which is why Maglev has peaked my interest but ti seems that project is stagnating

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think that most of the ESUG attendees were either employed or students. ;-)

If you are developing a web-based application you could certainly use a Mac for development (with testing on a Windows machine). I'm also looking at making it easier to use a hosted server for GemStone/S development.

I'm not really a good person to give advice on Ruby (including MagLev) since I'd do my best to stay with Smalltalk.

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

the other question is how many of those are employed :), anyhow I do use a Mac mini as my main dev machine but have Windows on vmware  since our clients deploy the UI apps on Window boxes, sure webtools would be fine, in the case of maglev would you use Sinatra?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:

Charles,

Good question, and the answer is no, we do not expect people to deploy on a Mac. The goal is to make development easier, especially for those who are using Smalltalk but have not tried GemStone. Take a look a what machines Smalltalk developers are using (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201373129904046) and you get an idea of what I have in mind.

Jupiter,

You have several options: (1) you can enter a port number in the field that currently has a name, (2) you can add the name & port to your local /etc/services, and (3) if you start your client from a shell that has the proper environment (e.g., using the 'Terminal' button), then the name should map properly to the port.

As to a client UI, at first I was thinking of duplicating Jade for Windows (http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/jade/), but now I'm leaning toward a web-based suite of tools (https://github.com/jgfoster/webtools). 

James

On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Charles Monteiro <[hidden email]> wrote:

question, not trying to be critical, the mac app does look great and I can see how its very helpful for development purposes but folks would not really deploy on a Mac OS X server ? or would they ?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Jupiter Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been playing with the new GS for OSX and it's everything a one button mouse user could ask for :)

I only have one feature request - the ability to set the netldi port along with the name. That would save having to update the configurations… unless I can use the name rather than the port. Just thought of that while typing - will have to give it a try.

Also, keen to know what's going to happen when we can create Logins… A OSX native tODE? Now that would be awesome!

Thanks for the great app!

Cheers,

Jupiter
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