Going Alpha

> Hi all
>
> I suggest that we go alpha:
> - we focus on getting the bugs out closure, event, delays
> - we focus on tests
> - and mit license changes.
> - remove bad code
>
> tell me what you think
> Stef
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> Hi Stef,
>
> Sounds good.
>
> In my understanding we are already in alpha. Now we would work towards
> a first beta. That is, a version that is more or less stable and to
> which no new features are added.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 12:59 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I suggest that we go alpha:
>> - we focus on getting the bugs out closure, event, delays
>> - we focus on tests
>> - and mit license changes.
>> - remove bad code
>>
>> tell me what you think
>> Stef
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> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Ok for me .
>>>> Let us now target beta.
>>>
>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
>>
>> this is still there but who will do it?
>
> You did a great job in the last weeks!
>
> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he
> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can
> help with this task.
>
> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get
> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
>
> Adrian
>
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>> Stef
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> I do not remember I will check.
> And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of
> guidance.
>
> Stef
>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Ok for me .
>>>>> Let us now target beta.
>>>>
>>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
>>>
>>> this is still there but who will do it?
>>
>> You did a great job in the last weeks!
>>
>> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he
>> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can
>> help with this task.
>>
>> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to get
>> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>>
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> I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete
> :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this
> area.
> Thanks mike
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I do not remember I will check.
>> And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of
>> guidance.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> Ok for me .
>>>>>> Let us now target beta.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
>>>>
>>>> this is still there but who will do it?
>>>
>>> You did a great job in the last weeks!
>>>
>>> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said  
>>> he
>>> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody else that can
>>> help with this task.
>>>
>>> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including how to  
>>> get
>>> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Ok for me .
>>>> Let us now target beta.
>>>
>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
>>
>> this is still there but who will do it?
>
> You did a great job in the last weeks!
>

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: [hidden email]
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> nombre de Michael Roberts
> Enviado el: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 14:32
> Para: [hidden email]
> Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] Going Alpha
>
> I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published
> build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can
> seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out
> updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I
> was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy
> to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete
> :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this
> area.
> Thanks mike
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I do not remember I will check.
> > And let you know. I contacted also matthew to ask him for a bit of
> > guidance.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> >>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>> Ok for me .
> >>>>> Let us now target beta.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
> >>>
> >>> this is still there but who will do it?
> >>
> >> You did a great job in the last weeks!
> >>
> >> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus
> also said he
> >> will have more time again. And maybe there is somebody
> else that can
> >> help with this task.
> >>
> >> Can you give instructions what needs to be done (including
> how to get
> >> to the scripts etc. because I don't know)?
> >>
> >> Adrian
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stef
> >>>
> >>>>
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> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BaselineTestResults
>
> This is just a first version I have published.  Comments welcome.
>
> I have some crude code to produce the wiki syntax from the image. Does
> anyone mind if I add behaviour to TestRunner & TestResult to do this
> or should I create a separate PharoWikiExporter class and integrate
> it?  Also it would be convenient for a TestCase to be sortable. Any
> thoughts on that? I have not made TestCase understand <= yet but it
> seems verbose not to do so.
>
> thanks,
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> Mike
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> On 22.04.2009, at 05:17, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:04 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Ok for me .
>>>>> Let us now target beta.
>>>>
>>>> Ok. What's the plan to go MIT?
>>>
>>> this is still there but who will do it?
>>
>> You did a great job in the last weeks!
>>
>
> indeed!
>
>> I'll try to find again a bit more time for Pharo. Marcus also said he
>> will have more time again.
>
> Yes, I will definitely be more active again soon. It's interesting how
> much cognitive bandwith is occupied by a move to another culture...

> I agree.
> But we took the decision to harvest the fix of events because they
> could rot
> dramatically.
> Then removing bad code is also important for the relicensing.
> The less etoy bookmoprh the less relicensing we have.
>
>> I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published
>> build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can
>> seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push out
>> updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison easier I
>> was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it easy
>> to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not complete
>> :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in this
>> area.
>> Thanks mike
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> for sure don't get me wrong ;-) i'm all for change and we're making
> great progress. it was just in comment to alpha->beta style
> discussion. I'm looking forward to us discussing release candidates.
> that will be cool indeed.
>
> mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I agree.
>> But we took the decision to harvest the fix of events because they
>> could rot
>> dramatically.
>> Then removing bad code is also important for the relicensing.
>> The less etoy bookmoprh the less relicensing we have.
>>
>>> I have been running the sunits recently for each update or published
>>> build. It would be great if more people could do this so that we can
>>> seriously get the error list down. Also we should try not to push  
>>> out
>>> updates if they increase the error number. To make comparison  
>>> easier I
>>> was going to publish the baseline results on the wiki to make it  
>>> easy
>>> to see progress. I got stuck when recently the tests did not  
>>> complete
>>> :-) but I think this is a good example of why we should focus in  
>>> this
>>> area.
>>> Thanks mike
>>
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