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CyrilFerlicot

Growl setting name

Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never
used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.

If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup
dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".

What do you thing guys ?
If you think as me I will open an issue.

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Tudor Girba-2

Re: Growl setting name

Hi

I think it should not be named “dialog” and “popup” is too generic.

How about “PopupInfo”?

Doru

> On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never
> used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
>
> If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup
> dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
>
> What do you thing guys ?
> If you think as me I will open an issue.
>
> --
> Cyril Ferlicot
>
> http://www.synectique.eu
>
> 165 Avenue Bretagne
> Lille 59000 France
>

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Henrik Nergaard

Re: Growl setting name

NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?

Best regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM
To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name

Hi

I think it should not be named “dialog” and “popup” is too generic.

How about “PopupInfo”?

Doru

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Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Growl setting name

> On 15 Jan 2016, at 22:25, Henrik Nergaard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?

+1

> Best regards,
> Henrik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM
> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name
>
> Hi
>
> I think it should not be named “dialog” and “popup” is too generic.
>
> How about “PopupInfo”?
>
> Doru
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never
>> used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
>>
>> If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup
>> dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
>>
>> What do you thing guys ?
>> If you think as me I will open an issue.
>>
>> --
>> Cyril Ferlicot
>>
>> http://www.synectique.eu
>>
>> 165 Avenue Bretagne
>> Lille 59000 France
>>
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.feenk.com
>
> "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
>
>
>
>
>

CyrilFerlicot

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by Henrik Nergaard

Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
> NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
>
> Best regards,
> Henrik
>

Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name
things with "Morph".

--
Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

165 Avenue Bretagne
Lille 59000 France

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Nicolai Hess-3-2

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by Henrik Nergaard

2016-01-15 22:25 GMT+01:00 Henrik Nergaard <[hidden email]>:

NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?

+1 for Notification

Best regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM
To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name

Hi

I think it should not be named “dialog” and “popup” is too generic.

How about “PopupInfo”?

Doru

> On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never
> used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
>
> If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup
> dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
>
> What do you thing guys ?
> If you think as me I will open an issue.
>
> --
> Cyril Ferlicot
>
> http://www.synectique.eu
>
> 165 Avenue Bretagne
> Lille 59000 France
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

"Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."

Henrik Nergaard

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by CyrilFerlicot

The underlying class and implementation relies on Morph and since it is also a subclass of Morph, should end with the Morph postfix.
Had the implementation used Bloc or similar I would expect it to be named ...Bloc or ...Brick to signal this.

Best regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ferlicot D. Cyril
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:32 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name

Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
> NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
>
> Best regards,
> Henrik
>

Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name things with "Morph".

--
Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

165 Avenue Bretagne
Lille 59000 France

Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: Growl setting name

I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.

NotificationPopup?

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Henrik Nergaard <[hidden email]> wrote:

The underlying class and implementation relies on Morph and since it is also a subclass of Morph, should end with the Morph postfix.
Had the implementation used Bloc or similar I would expect it to be named ...Bloc or ...Brick to signal this.

Best regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ferlicot D. Cyril
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:32 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name

Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
> NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
>
> Best regards,
> Henrik
>

Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name things with "Morph".

--
Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

165 Avenue Bretagne
Lille 59000 France

Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

CyrilFerlicot

Re: Growl setting name

Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
> NotificationPopup?
>

I love this one!

> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

--
Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

165 Avenue Bretagne
Lille 59000 France

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stepharo

Re: Growl setting name

but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification
(Exception).

Stef

Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :

> Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
>> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
>> NotificationPopup?
>>
> I love this one!
>
>> --
>> Mariano
>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

stepharo

Re: Growl setting name

So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to
GrowlMorph)
a better name would be NotifierPopup

Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :

> but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification
> (Exception).
>
> Stef
>
> Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
>> Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
>>> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
>>> NotificationPopup?
>>>
>> I love this one!
>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>
>
>

stepharo

Re: Growl setting name

Finally

"Growl is a global notification system and pop-up notification
implementation for the Mac OS X and Windows[1] operating systems. "

So?

kilon.alios

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by stepharo

Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?

What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?

Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to
GrowlMorph)
a better name would be NotifierPopup

Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
> but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification
> (Exception).
>
> Stef
>
> Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
>> Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
>>> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
>>> NotificationPopup?
>>>
>> I love this one!
>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>
>
>

EstebanLM

Re: Growl setting name

On 16 Jan 2016, at 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?

What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?

Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.

also, afaik, migrating to bloc will not make morphs disappear… they will just change its internal logic (in the examples I’ve seen, there

are still things named “Morph”… they are just decomposed internally… but I don’t know).

Esteban

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to
GrowlMorph)
a better name would be NotifierPopup

Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
> but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification
> (Exception).
>
> Stef
>
> Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
>> Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
>>> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
>>> NotificationPopup?
>>>
>> I love this one!
>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>
>
>

kilon.alios

Re: Growl setting name

There are A TON of things named Morphs inside Bloc.

Bloc has no choice because it wants to be 100% compatible with Morphic. That means it has to offer a 100% Morphic API . What Bloc does is rework the ugly internals of Morphic offering a better implementation and of course adds a lot of new functionality and integrates Athens.

Morphic is here to stay for a long time, at least until people migrate completely to Bloc and Bloc finally decides to drop Morphic support. I dont see that happening before Pharo 8-10.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 16 Jan 2016, at 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?

What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?

Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.

+1

also, afaik, migrating to bloc will not make morphs disappear… they will just change its internal logic (in the examples I’ve seen, there
are still things named “Morph”… they are just decomposed internally… but I don’t know).

Esteban

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to
GrowlMorph)
a better name would be NotifierPopup

Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
> but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification
> (Exception).
>
> Stef
>
> Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
>> Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
>>> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
>>> NotificationPopup?
>>>
>> I love this one!
>>
>>> --
>>> Mariano
>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>>
>
>
>

CyrilFerlicot

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by stepharo

Le 16/01/2016 09:12, stepharo a écrit :
> Finally
>
> "Growl is a global notification system and pop-up notification
> implementation for the Mac OS X and Windows[1] operating systems. "
>
> So?
>

Growl can be downloaded on Windows but almost no Windows user know this
name and can understand what it means.

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Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

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Lille 59000 France

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CyrilFerlicot

Re: Growl setting name

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Le 16/01/2016 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
> Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people
> coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that
> will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very
> popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
>

I don't want to rename Growl, just to change the name of the setting.
The setting should not depend of the implementation of the notification
system. We can name the setting "Notifier Popup" and behind use a
GrowlMorph, a NotifierBloc, a PopupBrick… The common developer doesn't
care. When we want to use a Growl we just call #inform:, not #growl: or
"Growl new inform:".

As you said 30% of people can understand what Growl is about.
Almost everyone can understand that "Notifier Popup" is about a little
popup that give us informations.

Should we ignore the 70% of people that don't use mac ? And when Pharo
will be use by more industry than search lab there will be less than 30%
of mac I think. If the community don't want to rename this setting it's
your choice, but that will be 70% of newcomers that will be frustrating
when they will try to customize the appearance of there Pharo.

> What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a
> window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
>
> Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it
> worth it.
>
>
>

--
Cyril Ferlicot

http://www.synectique.eu

165 Avenue Bretagne
Lille 59000 France

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stepharo

Re: Growl setting name

Ah ok :)

Le 16/1/16 14:15, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :

> Le 16/01/2016 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
>> Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people
>> coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that
>> will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very
>> popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
>>
> I don't want to rename Growl, just to change the name of the setting.
> The setting should not depend of the implementation of the notification
> system. We can name the setting "Notifier Popup" and behind use a
> GrowlMorph, a NotifierBloc, a PopupBrick… The common developer doesn't
> care. When we want to use a Growl we just call #inform:, not #growl: or
> "Growl new inform:".
>
> As you said 30% of people can understand what Growl is about.
> Almost everyone can understand that "Notifier Popup" is about a little
> popup that give us informations.
>
> Should we ignore the 70% of people that don't use mac ? And when Pharo
> will be use by more industry than search lab there will be less than 30%
> of mac I think. If the community don't want to rename this setting it's
> your choice, but that will be 70% of newcomers that will be frustrating
> when they will try to customize the appearance of there Pharo.
>
>> What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a
>> window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
>>
>> Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it
>> worth it.
>>
>>
>>

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: Growl setting name

In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck

2016-01-15 18:51 GMT-03:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl.
> NotificationPopup?

+1