How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
 
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Hi Nacho
On 4/25/14, nacho <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi! > In trying to understand how morphic is implemented in Cuis, several > questions arise: Maybe this is helpful as well https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons/blob/master/Add-Ons-LayoutDemo.pck.st According to my notes https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons it should work fine in the current Cuis. It contains Cuis Morphic Layout Demos of increasingly difficutly to show how the layouts are done in Cuis. HTH --Hannes _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Hannes,
Yes it was very useful. Browsing GitHub -especially yours and Ken's repositories- I've discovered a lot of stuff that help me to understand a little more about Morphic in Cuis. The package that you mention was very helpful in seeing how LayoutMorph actually works. Thanks for doing it. My idea is to have a very good understanding of how Morphic works in Cuis, and after that try to document an make examples. Usually, I agree with Juan that Smalltalk is self documenting. The power to see how a method from the Class Library is implemented is invaluable. However, Morphic is kind of tricky and as Cuis has a very stable core, for me it makes sense to have it documented. I usually take a look at how morphic works on Squeak and then try to figure out how the same code can be rewritten to run on Cuis. However, the implementations are quiet different in general. Also, Pharo seems to be moving away from Morphic. Not in the sense that is taking it out, but in the sense that it has applied a new Framework on top of it -Spec-. Morphic still works but it seems it will not be the defacto framework for UI building. But I rather learn Morphic and I also like the fact that in Cuis Morphic has been simplified. One has to figure out how to build, for instance, a SimpleSwitchMorph just to run some Squeak code, but that's ok. I guess that if one gets the knowledge of how Morphic works on Cuis, it can be re-implemented as a package and not as a core feature. Thanks again for posting your examples and your work in progress in GitHub. I hope one day I can repay the Cuis community with some nice intro to Morphic on Cuis. Best Nacho
Nacho
Smalltalker apprentice.
Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:08:16 +0000
"H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: ... > https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons/blob/master/Add-Ons-LayoutDemo.pck.st ... > It contains Cuis Morphic Layout Demos of increasingly difficulty to > show how the layouts are done in Cuis. Nacho, You can try things out directly with the simple Layout editor in my Morphic-Misc1 package. Just open Hannes' examples, left-click to get construction halos around a Morph of interest, and select 'edit my LayoutSpec' from the menu halo. If the morph is a LayoutMorph, you can also select 'edit me (a LayoutMorph)' You can make changes in the editors and see how the layout IVar settings correspond to what happens on the screen. -KenD _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
-KenD
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Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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On 4/26/2014 10:06 AM, nacho wrote:
> Hannes, > Yes it was very useful. Browsing GitHub -especially yours and Ken's > repositories- I've discovered a lot of stuff that help me to understand a > little more about Morphic in Cuis. > The package that you mention was very helpful in seeing how LayoutMorph > actually works. > Thanks for doing it. I concur. Thanks folks for your cool stuff! > My idea is to have a very good understanding of how Morphic works in Cuis, > and after that try to document an make examples. Usually, I agree with Juan > that Smalltalk is self documenting. The power to see how a method from the > Class Library is implemented is invaluable. However, Morphic is kind of > tricky and as Cuis has a very stable core, for me it makes sense to have it > documented. Agreed. Some documentation would be very welcome. In any case, class comments, method comments, example methods (usually class side) and tests can also be considered documentation, as they illustrate some interesting detail. > I usually take a look at how morphic works on Squeak and then try to figure > out how the same code can be rewritten to run on Cuis. This is most useful if you are porting code. If you're writing new code for Cuis, just figuring out Cuis is simpler and enough. > However, the > implementations are quiet different in general. Also, Pharo seems to be > moving away from Morphic. Not in the sense that is taking it out, but in the > sense that it has applied a new Framework on top of it -Spec-. Morphic still > works but it seems it will not be the defacto framework for UI building. > But I rather learn Morphic and I also like the fact that in Cuis Morphic has > been simplified. One has to figure out how to build, for instance, a > SimpleSwitchMorph just to run some Squeak code, but that's ok. I guess that > if one gets the knowledge of how Morphic works on Cuis, it can be > re-implemented as a package and not as a core feature. In the case of aSwitch, maybe 'PluggableButtonMorph example openInWorld' is useful. I just found it by looking for Switch... Maybe the menus for setting font size in a Text Editor are relevant too... > Thanks again for posting your examples and your work in progress in GitHub. > I hope one day I can repay the Cuis community with some nice intro to > Morphic on Cuis. > Best > Nacho :) BTW, we could organize a (very informal) event for those in Buenos Aires or very close... Just some beers and laptops. What do you think? Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel
Hannes,
On 4/26/2014 8:08 AM, H. Hirzel wrote: > Hi Nacho > > On 4/25/14, nacho<[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi! >> In trying to understand how morphic is implemented in Cuis, several >> questions arise: > Maybe this is helpful as well > > https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons/blob/master/Add-Ons-LayoutDemo.pck.st > According to my notes https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons > it should work fine in the current Cuis. > > It contains Cuis Morphic Layout Demos of increasingly difficutly to > show how the layouts are done in Cuis. > > HTH > > --Hannes This is just great. Would you consider writing some class or method comment to be included to base Cuis with references to this work? This would make it easier to find. Besides, this is the kind of thing we need as a central part of any documentation effort! Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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Hannes, Ken,
I'd like to host more of your stuff at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev . Or maybe a new repo at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk . I believe that having stuff that is not ready for prime time in separate repos makes a lot of sense, but suff that is already in useful state (and is currently maintained as needed) could be much easier to find if accessible directly from Cuis-Smalltalk. What do you think? Same goes for anybody having cool code to share. Cheers, Juan Vuletich On 4/26/2014 11:54 AM, Ken Dickey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:08:16 +0000 > "H. Hirzel"<[hidden email]> wrote: > ... >> https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons/blob/master/Add-Ons-LayoutDemo.pck.st > ... >> It contains Cuis Morphic Layout Demos of increasingly difficulty to >> show how the layouts are done in Cuis. > Nacho, > > You can try things out directly with the simple Layout editor in my Morphic-Misc1 package. > > Just open Hannes' examples, left-click to get construction halos around a Morph of interest, and select 'edit my LayoutSpec' from the menu halo. > > If the morph is a LayoutMorph, you can also select 'edit me (a LayoutMorph)' > > You can make changes in the editors and see how the layout IVar settings correspond to what happens on the screen. > > -KenD > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org > _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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Juan
I think at the moment just notes and links in the README or another markdown file is fine. An instant solution of 10 minutes which works fine. But please ask this very same question later again (2 months) --Hannes P.S. I agree that cleaning up / deleting the many Cuis repositories on github will make life easier for everybody. Then we just fork the main Cuis-Dev repository, do the work in the fork and issue pull requests. It will be necessary to indicate which directories are curated by you and which other directories are curated by other people. On 4/26/14, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hannes, Ken, > > I'd like to host more of your stuff at > https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev . Or maybe a new > repo at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk . > > I believe that having stuff that is not ready for prime time in separate > repos makes a lot of sense, but suff that is already in useful state > (and is currently maintained as needed) could be much easier to find if > accessible directly from Cuis-Smalltalk. What do you think? > > Same goes for anybody having cool code to share. > > Cheers, > Juan Vuletich > > > On 4/26/2014 11:54 AM, Ken Dickey wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:08:16 +0000 >> "H. Hirzel"<[hidden email]> wrote: >> ... >>> https://github.com/hhzl/Cuis-Add-Ons/blob/master/Add-Ons-LayoutDemo.pck.st >> ... >>> It contains Cuis Morphic Layout Demos of increasingly difficulty to >>> show how the layouts are done in Cuis. >> Nacho, >> >> You can try things out directly with the simple Layout editor in my >> Morphic-Misc1 package. >> >> Just open Hannes' examples, left-click to get construction halos around a >> Morph of interest, and select 'edit my LayoutSpec' from the menu halo. >> >> If the morph is a LayoutMorph, you can also select 'edit me (a >> LayoutMorph)' >> >> You can make changes in the editors and see how the layout IVar settings >> correspond to what happens on the screen. >> >> -KenD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cuis mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org > _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:56:13 -0300
Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hannes, Ken, > > I'd like to host more of your stuff at > https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev . Or maybe a new > repo at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk . Juan, Cuis is your baby. All the stuff I am putting out is open source. I am happy to delete my copies of any package you care to adopt. I would suggest (stable): Things which could migrate into Core -- or a Basic Use package Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1 Cuis-Smalltalk-NamedColors Cuis-Smalltalk-ColorEditor Useful for some Cuis-Smalltalk-Ropes Cuis-Smalltalk-Crypto-NaCl Playtime Cuis-Smalltalk-Solitaire Cuis-Smalltalk-Ia-En -KenD _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
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Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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Juan,
Yes, the same applies to me. In case you adopt something, e.g. the LayoutDemos I will delete my repo happily. It is easier for people to get access to it. And I suggest that you create a 'doc' or 'notes' subfolder where people can put in documents. In their fork and then through a pull request. A separate doc project seems to be too much effort currently but there still should be an easy way to contribute documentation pages, notes and code snippets. ..Hannes On 4/26/14, Ken Dickey <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:56:13 -0300 > Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hannes, Ken, >> >> I'd like to host more of your stuff at >> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev . Or maybe a new >> repo at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk . > > Juan, > > Cuis is your baby. All the stuff I am putting out is open source. > > I am happy to delete my copies of any package you care to adopt. > > I would suggest (stable): > > Things which could migrate into Core -- or a Basic Use package > Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1 > Cuis-Smalltalk-NamedColors > Cuis-Smalltalk-ColorEditor > > Useful for some > Cuis-Smalltalk-Ropes > Cuis-Smalltalk-Crypto-NaCl > > Playtime > Cuis-Smalltalk-Solitaire > Cuis-Smalltalk-Ia-En > > -KenD > > _______________________________________________ > Cuis mailing list > [hidden email] > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org > _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote: On 4/26/2014 10:06 AM, nacho wrote: That would be great! How about next weekend which has four days in a row ? Best Nacho Cheers, _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
Nacho
Smalltalker apprentice.
Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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2014-04-27 19:44 GMT-03:00 Ignacio Sniechowski <[hidden email]>:
Very good idea! Unfortunately I can't go (I'm at 600 km of BA) but I would join if at some point you decides some sort of virtual meetings. Cheers and good luck! _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic)
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On 4/27/2014 7:44 PM, Ignacio Sniechowski wrote:
Well, I'm answering too late for that. Apologies. In any case, what about Wednesday, May 7, 19hs, around Belgrano? Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Hi Germán,
On 4/27/2014 8:26 PM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Thanks for the interest. I'm not sure how well would that go... It will not be an organized talk with a host and a script, just a few around a table, everybody talking at the same time,,, Do you know about some software that could work? Cheers, Juan Vuletich _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
Hosting community packages and docs at our central repo (Re: How layout works in Cuis morphic (Re: More...morphic))
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Hi folks,
Thanks for your positive answers. I will start adding your stuff to github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev soon (next time I have a few hours in a row for Cuis). I also want to do the same with documentation (in markdown format). Most important, I would like to make clear for any visitor that https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk is not a personal but a community project. Right now I'm the only member there. All of you should be members. And all contributions should be fairly attributed to the author, etc. I mean, it is not that "I will adopt your work", but that github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk should be the central hosting for all Cuis stuff meant to be shared with others. Cheers, Juan Vuletich On 4/26/2014 8:06 PM, H. Hirzel wrote: > Juan, > Yes, the same applies to me. In case you adopt something, e.g. the > LayoutDemos I will delete my repo happily. It is easier for people to > get access to it. > > And I suggest that you create a 'doc' or 'notes' subfolder where > people can put in documents. In their fork and then through a pull > request. A separate doc project seems to be too much effort currently > but there still should be an easy way to contribute documentation > pages, notes and code snippets. > > ..Hannes > > > > On 4/26/14, Ken Dickey<[hidden email]> wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:56:13 -0300 >> Juan Vuletich<[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Hannes, Ken, >>> >>> I'd like to host more of your stuff at >>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev . Or maybe a new >>> repo at https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk . >> Juan, >> >> Cuis is your baby. All the stuff I am putting out is open source. >> >> I am happy to delete my copies of any package you care to adopt. >> >> I would suggest (stable): >> >> Things which could migrate into Core -- or a Basic Use package >> Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1 >> Cuis-Smalltalk-NamedColors >> Cuis-Smalltalk-ColorEditor >> >> Useful for some >> Cuis-Smalltalk-Ropes >> Cuis-Smalltalk-Crypto-NaCl >> >> Playtime >> Cuis-Smalltalk-Solitaire >> Cuis-Smalltalk-Ia-En >> >> -KenD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cuis mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org >> _______________________________________________ Cuis mailing list [hidden email] http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org |
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Sounds great Juan!! Do you have some place in mind? Best Nacho Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Juan Vuletich <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Nacho
Smalltalker apprentice.
Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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