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Tapple Gao
Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.

I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl

Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write

My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
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Damien Pollet
Hi !

Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.

In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.


On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.

I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl

Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write

My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
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Tapple Gao
Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:

"Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #'release3.1';
    load: 'OneClick'.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Pier3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
    version: #'release3.0';
    load.

It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.

> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>
> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>
>
> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>
> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>
> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>
> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
> _______________________________________________
> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>
>
>
> --
> Damien Pollet
> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
> _______________________________________________
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Failed Pier Installations

Tapple Gao
For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:

=== In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #stable;
    load: 'OneClick’.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Pier3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
    version: #stable;
    load.


=== In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #stable;
    load: 'OneClick’.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Pillar';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
    version: #stable;
    load.


=== In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #stable;
    load: 'OneClick’.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Magritte3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
    version: #stable;
    load.


=== Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===

install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog


=== Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===

install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog


=== Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #stable;
    load: 'OneClick'.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Magritte3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
    version: #stable;
    load.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Pier3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
    version: #stable;
    load.


=== Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Seaside3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
    version: #'release3.1';
    load: 'OneClick'.

Metacello new
    configuration: 'Magritte3';
    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
    version: #'release3.5';
    load.

The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5


> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>
> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>
> Metacello new
>    configuration: 'Seaside3';
>    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>    version: #'release3.1';
>    load: 'OneClick'.
>
> Metacello new
>    configuration: 'Pier3';
>    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>    version: #'release3.0';
>    load.
>
> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>
>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi !
>>
>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>
>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>
>>
>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>
>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>
>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>
>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Damien Pollet
>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Failed Pier Installations

Tapple Gao
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oops. I tried squeak 5.1, not 5.0

> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:18, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:
>
> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Seaside3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load: 'OneClick’.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Pier3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load.
>
>
> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Seaside3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load: 'OneClick’.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Pillar';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load.
>
>
> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Seaside3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load: 'OneClick’.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Magritte3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load.
>
>
> === Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===
>
> install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog
>
>
> === Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===
>
> install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog
>
>
> === Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Seaside3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load: 'OneClick'.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Magritte3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Pier3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>     version: #stable;
>     load.
>
>
> === Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Seaside3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>     version: #'release3.1';
>     load: 'OneClick'.
>
> Metacello new
>     configuration: 'Magritte3';
>     repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>     version: #'release3.5';
>     load.
>
> The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5
>
>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>>
>> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>>
>> Metacello new
>>    configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>    version: #'release3.1';
>>    load: 'OneClick'.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>    configuration: 'Pier3';
>>    repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>    version: #'release3.0';
>>    load.
>>
>> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>>
>>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi !
>>>
>>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>>
>>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>>
>>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>>
>>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>>
>>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Damien Pollet
>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>

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Re: Failed Pier Installations

Tobias Pape
Hi Tapple

Squeak does not ship Metacello by default, you have to follow this
instructions: https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work#squeak
before the snippets.

That being said, Metacello currently undergoes some restructuring, so
that this _might_ fail, sorry.

Best regards
        -TObias

On 09.09.2016, at 08:23, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:

> oops. I tried squeak 5.1, not 5.0
>
>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:18, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:
>>
>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load: 'OneClick’.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Pier3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load.
>>
>>
>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load: 'OneClick’.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Pillar';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load.
>>
>>
>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load: 'OneClick’.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load.
>>
>>
>> === Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===
>>
>> install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog
>>
>>
>> === Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===
>>
>> install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog
>>
>>
>> === Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load: 'OneClick'.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Pier3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>   version: #stable;
>>   load.
>>
>>
>> === Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>   version: #'release3.1';
>>   load: 'OneClick'.
>>
>> Metacello new
>>   configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>   repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>   version: #'release3.5';
>>   load.
>>
>> The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5
>>
>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>>>
>>> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #'release3.1';
>>>  load: 'OneClick'.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>  version: #'release3.0';
>>>  load.
>>>
>>> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>>>
>>>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi !
>>>>
>>>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>>>
>>>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>>>
>>>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>>>
>>>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>
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Re: Failed Pier Installations

Morphle-2
I installed metacello from that location before testing

> On 09 Sep 2016, at 14:37, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Tapple
>
> Squeak does not ship Metacello by default, you have to follow this
> instructions: https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work#squeak
> before the snippets.
>
> That being said, Metacello currently undergoes some restructuring, so
> that this _might_ fail, sorry.
>
> Best regards
> -TObias
>
> On 09.09.2016, at 08:23, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> oops. I tried squeak 5.1, not 5.0
>>
>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:18, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:
>>>
>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load: 'OneClick’.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load.
>>>
>>>
>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load: 'OneClick’.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Pillar';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load.
>>>
>>>
>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load: 'OneClick’.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load.
>>>
>>>
>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===
>>>
>>> install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog
>>>
>>>
>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===
>>>
>>> install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog
>>>
>>>
>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load: 'OneClick'.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>  version: #stable;
>>>  load.
>>>
>>>
>>> === Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>  version: #'release3.1';
>>>  load: 'OneClick'.
>>>
>>> Metacello new
>>>  configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>  repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>  version: #'release3.5';
>>>  load.
>>>
>>> The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5
>>>
>>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>>>>
>>>> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #'release3.1';
>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>> version: #'release3.0';
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>>>>
>>>>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>
>>>>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>>>>
>>>>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>
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Re: Failed Pier Installations

Tobias Pape

On 09.09.2016, at 17:06, Morphle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I installed metacello from that location before testing

Oh, cool.

Can you give me the Transcript output, debugger information or other failures?

Best regards
        -Tobias

>
>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 14:37, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tapple
>>
>> Squeak does not ship Metacello by default, you have to follow this
>> instructions: https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work#squeak
>> before the snippets.
>>
>> That being said, Metacello currently undergoes some restructuring, so
>> that this _might_ fail, sorry.
>>
>> Best regards
>> -TObias
>>
>> On 09.09.2016, at 08:23, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> oops. I tried squeak 5.1, not 5.0
>>>
>>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:18, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:
>>>>
>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Pillar';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===
>>>>
>>>> install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===
>>>>
>>>> install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>> version: #stable;
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> === Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>> version: #'release3.1';
>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>
>>>> Metacello new
>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>> version: #'release3.5';
>>>> load.
>>>>
>>>> The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5
>>>>
>>>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #'release3.1';
>>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>>> version: #'release3.0';
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Failed Pier Installations

Tapple Gao
I had not recorded that information when I tried these. I’ll do that next time I try and fail, which will probably not be for a few days. There should be enough information below to reproduce the errors.

> On 09 Sep 2016, at 19:37, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On 09.09.2016, at 17:06, Morphle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I installed metacello from that location before testing
>
> Oh, cool.
>
> Can you give me the Transcript output, debugger information or other failures?
>
> Best regards
> -Tobias
>
>>
>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 14:37, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tapple
>>>
>>> Squeak does not ship Metacello by default, you have to follow this
>>> instructions: https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work#squeak
>>> before the snippets.
>>>
>>> That being said, Metacello currently undergoes some restructuring, so
>>> that this _might_ fail, sorry.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> -TObias
>>>
>>> On 09.09.2016, at 08:23, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> oops. I tried squeak 5.1, not 5.0
>>>>
>>>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:18, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record, here’s the installation incantations that didn’t work, in the order I tried them:
>>>>>
>>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 1 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 2 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Pillar';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pillar/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === In Squeak 5.0, attempt 3 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load: 'OneClick’.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 1 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> install seaside3, then pier 3, from catalog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 2 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> install seaside3, then pillar, from catalog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === Pharo 5, attempt 3 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>>> version: #stable;
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> === Pharo 4, attempt 1 ===
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>> version: #'release3.1';
>>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>> configuration: 'Magritte3';
>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Magritte/Magritte3/main';
>>>>> version: #'release3.5';
>>>>> load.
>>>>>
>>>>> The final one failed in the most interesting way; it broke seaside by installing a mix of seaside for pharo 4 and seaside for pharo 5
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:02, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you. I uploaded my changes to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple . However, I realized they are for an older version of pier, from before the Pillar split, so they’ll probably be a pain to merge. I’m using this pier one-click image from lukas: http://www.piercms.com/download (pharo 1.3). I’ve never been able to install a working pier using metacello on any image for the past year. I tried again yesterday, and, after another 5 failed attempts on 3 different images, finally found a working incantation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Instructions: Take fresh pharo 4.0 image, run the following, and pier works. Thanks to https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2015-December/008025.html"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>>> configuration: 'Seaside3';
>>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Seaside/MetacelloConfigurations/main';
>>>>>> version: #'release3.1';
>>>>>> load: 'OneClick'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Metacello new
>>>>>> configuration: 'Pier3';
>>>>>> repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pier/Pier3/main';
>>>>>> version: #'release3.0';
>>>>>> load.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will take me some time to merge my changes, migrate my website, and properly test everything in a newer pier. I’ll let you know when I have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08 Sep 2016, at 13:38, Damien Pollet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monticello is a distributed version control system, so you could have your own repository on smalltalkhub to commit your modifications. In fact, given how MC (doesn't) handles branches, it's probably the recommended way of doing if you want experimental/development code to be clearly separate from the official branch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of getting your changes merged in the official release, I'd suggest discussing them on one of the Pharo lists, or on the Slack channel. Some of the owners of the Magritte and Pier repos on sthub and recent developers are active there and should be able to help and even review your code or add you to the contributors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 September 2016 at 12:15, Tapple Gao <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all. It’s been a long time since I contributed to a smalltalk project, but I’d like to start again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m developing a complex website based on Pier and Magritte: https://fiberhood.nl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even though I’ve barely started, I’ve already found several things to fix in Pier and Magritte, and would like to submit my fixes back upstream. How should I do that? I assume I don’t have commit access to http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte and http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier , although I don’t really know how to tell. I’m used to squeaksource, where it plainly says Global: Read or Global: Read and Write
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My username on smalltalkhub is tapple: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~tapple
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Damien Pollet
>>>>>>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/smallwiki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Magritte, Pier and Related Tools ...
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