How to run Mondrian code

> | view namespaces |
> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
> view := MOViewRenderer new.
> view shape rectangle
>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
> view nodes: namespaces.
> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
> view dominanceTreeLayout.
> view open.
>
>
> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put the
> code and run?

> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of code:
>
>
> Xin chào Tien.
> Where are you located ?
>
>> | view namespaces |
>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>> view shape rectangle
>>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>> view nodes: namespaces.
>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>> view open.
>>
>>
>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put the
>> code and run?
>
> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>
> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>
> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>
> | view namespaces |
> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
> view :=  RTMondrian new.
> view shape rectangle
>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
> view nodes: namespaces.
> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
> view layout dominanceTree.
> view open.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>
>
>>
>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>> it shows the an error:
>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>
> Please check this link for the screenshot:
> http://s33.postimg.org/db7ki51mn/Screen_Shot_2016_05_31_at_2_28_56_PM.png
>

> Hi,
> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
> Mac OS.
> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
> message:
>
> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>
> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
> same directory as this image.
> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>> Vietnamese :)
>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>> it shows the an error:
>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>
>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>> >> code:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Xin chào Tien.
>>> > Where are you located ?
>>> >
>>> >> | view namespaces |
>>> >> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>> >> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>> >> view shape rectangle
>>> >>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>> >>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>> >>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>> >> view nodes: namespaces.
>>> >> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>> >> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>> >> view open.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>> >> the
>>> >> code and run?
>>> >
>>> > Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>> > Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>> >
>>> > Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>> >
>>> > The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>> >
>>> > | view namespaces |
>>> > namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>> > view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>> > view shape rectangle
>>> >   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>> >   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>> >   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>> > view nodes: namespaces.
>>> > view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>> > view layout dominanceTree.
>>> > view open.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > --
>>> > Serge Stinckwich
>>> > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
>>> > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moose-dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks and Best Regards,
>>
>> Do Huu Tien (Mr.)
>> Handphone No: (+32) (0) 484 77 62 32
>> Email: [hidden email]
>> Y!M: beuforever
>> Skype: do.huu.tien
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and Best Regards,
>
> Do Huu Tien (Mr.)
> Handphone No: (+32) (0) 484 77 62 32
> Email: [hidden email]
> Y!M: beuforever
> Skype: do.huu.tien
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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>

>
> and put in the same place as your image.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>> Mac OS.
>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>> message:
>>
>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>
>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>> same directory as this image.
>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>> Vietnamese :)
>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>> it shows the an error:
>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>
>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>> >> code:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Xin chào Tien.
>>>> > Where are you located ?
>>>> >
>>>> >> | view namespaces |
>>>> >> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>> >> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>> >> view shape rectangle
>>>> >>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>> >>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>> >>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>> >> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>> >> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>> >> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>> >> view open.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> code and run?
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>> > Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>> >
>>>> > Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>> >
>>>> > The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>> >
>>>> > | view namespaces |
>>>> > namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>> > view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>> > view shape rectangle
>>>> >   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>> >   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>> >   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>> > view nodes: namespaces.
>>>> > view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>> > view layout dominanceTree.
>>>> > view open.

> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>
>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>
> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
> impressions ?

> cheers -ben
>
>
>>
>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>> Mac OS.
>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>> message:
>>>
>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>
>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>> same directory as this image.
>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>
>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>> view open.
> _______________________________________________
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>
>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>
>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>
>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>> impressions ?
>
> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.

>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>> Mac OS.
>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>> message:
>>>>
>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>
>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>> view open.

> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>>
>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>>
>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>>> impressions ?
>>
>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.
>
> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember
> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently
> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being
> responsive?  That would be bad :).  An common Microsoft anti-pattern
> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users"  but instead give
> them a sense of control.  Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an
> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable.
>
> cheers -ben
>
>>
>>> cheers -ben
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>>> Mac OS.
>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>>> message:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>>> view open.
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> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources
>
> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up.
>
>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>>>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>>>> impressions ?
>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.
>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember
>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently
>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being
>> responsive?  That would be bad :).  An common Microsoft anti-pattern
>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users"  but instead give
>> them a sense of control.  Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an
>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>>>> Mac OS.
>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>>>> message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>>>> view open.
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> Le 31 mai 2016 à 20:33, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Is it possible to do the silent download only in headless mode? This would add to the first impressions without reducing respossiveness.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
> On 31/05/16 09:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources
>>
>> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up.
>>
>>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>>>>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>>>>> impressions ?
>>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.
>>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember
>>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently
>>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being
>>> responsive?  That would be bad :).  An common Microsoft anti-pattern
>>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users"  but instead give
>>> them a sense of control.  Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an
>>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable.
>>>
>>> cheers -ben
>>>
>>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>>>>> Mac OS.
>>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>>>>> message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>>>>> view open.
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> Christophe
>
>> Le 31 mai 2016 à 20:33, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Is it possible to do the silent download only in headless mode? This would add to the first impressions without reducing respossiveness.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>> On 31/05/16 09:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>>> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources
>>>
>>> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up.
>>>
>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>>>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>>>>>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>>>>>> impressions ?
>>>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.
>>>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember
>>>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently
>>>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being
>>>> responsive?  That would be bad :).  An common Microsoft anti-pattern
>>>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users"  but instead give
>>>> them a sense of control.  Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an
>>>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>
>>>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>>>>>> Mac OS.
>>>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>>>>>> message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>>>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>>>>>> view open.

> Le 1 juin 2016 à 13:05, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Christophe Demarey
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do not think it is a good idea to silently download in headless mode.
>> You often deploy apps in production in headless mode. Why would you want to download the sources?
>
> I agreed with not download sources in headless mode.  If you're going
> headless, you're not an impressionable newcomer needing your hand held
> to fix a problem.
>
>> I would rather see a default behavior not downloading the sources and a settings to allow automatic sources download.
>
> Lets not not do anything "automatic" and **hidden** from the user.  If
> an alert is being displayed  (as is currently done), it may as well
> have a button to download them. Give the user control.

> This is a first-impression issue for newcomers. The default headful
> behaviour should be to provide the user an alert, with a single button
> press to fix the problem.
>
>> You could pop up a dialog in ui mode to enable the feature the first time you see a missing sources file.
>
> Do you mean a setting outside the Image in an INI file?  Otherwise I
> don't follow this logic.  What happens after the dialog is popped up
> and "automatic download" is enabled?   The download starts?  May as
> well make it a  "download" button, rather than an "automatic download"
> setting.   It something that only needs to happen once.