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Mal

How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Hello,

i don't have any experiences with lively, so i will be very happy if there is anyone who can explain me how to create a new lively webapplication.

Do i need only a browser, but where can i save the code etc.?

Do i need an editor or compiler, where can i write the code?

It's very important for me, so if there is anyone who can help me?

best regards,

Mal.

Mal

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Antworten auf Deutsch sind auch erwünscht.

Nochmal kurzgefasst: Wie kann ich eine Webapplikation mit Hilfe von Lively erstellen?

Wie funktioniert das...angefangen bei Null.
Wo wird was gespeichert? Gibt es einen editor oder Compiler oder Ähnliches?

danke :)

Lincke, Jens

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

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Hi, Mal

thanks for your interest in Lively. To being able to send and receive message of the list, consider subscribing.

http://lively-kernel.org/list/index.html

Do i need only a browser, but where can i save the code etc.?

You only need a web browser, Google Chrome is recomended, but Safari and the latest Firefox are ok to.

Do i need an editor or compiler, where can i write the code?

You write the code directly at the objects. You store the objects then on the page and save the page as you would do in a normal wiki on the server. Your changes are then local to that page. When you want to develop the base system can later do the same by using the system browser. This will change and maybe even break all pages of the wiki. We allow this because everything you do is version controlled an we can restore a working version of pages and javascript modules.

For getting started, have a look at this page: http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/gettingStarted.xhtml

Best,

Jens

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Lincke, Jens

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

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Hallo Mal,

Vielleicht sollten wir wirklich mal eine german user group mailingliste einrichten... ;-)

But first we will continue in founding the barcelona lively user group .... Fabian, qué crees?

The internationalization of Lively is a topic we did not touch at al, or did we?
Best,
Jens

Am 11.11.2011 um 22:52 schrieb Mal:

> Antworten auf Deutsch sind auch erwünscht.
>
> Nochmal kurzgefasst: Wie kann ich eine Webapplikation mit Hilfe von Lively
> erstellen?
>
> Wie funktioniert das...angefangen bei Null.
> Wo wird was gespeichert? Gibt es einen editor oder Compiler oder Ähnliches?
>
> danke :)
>
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Fabian Bornhofen-2

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Hi -

currently there is no i18n support whatsoever, which might be an
obstacle to wider adoption (it's clearly not the only obstacle).

Mal,
a couple of days ago we sent an e-mail over the mailing list saying
that we're lacking tutorials for our tools and development practice in
general.
I'm actually glad you ask about it. We're definitely going to do
something about it, so my question to you is: If you want to learn to
build applications with Lively, would you prefer video tutorials,
written documentation or something entirely different?

In fact, I'll start thinking of something / doing something as soon as
I get your reply :).

Best,
Fabian

2011/11/11 Jens Lincke <[hidden email]>:

> Hallo Mal,
>
> Vielleicht sollten wir wirklich mal eine german user group mailingliste einrichten... ;-)
>
> But first we will continue in founding the barcelona lively user group .... Fabian, qué crees?
>
> The internationalization of Lively is a topic we did not touch at al, or did we?
> Best,
> Jens
>
> Am 11.11.2011 um 22:52 schrieb Mal:
>
>> Antworten auf Deutsch sind auch erwünscht.
>>
>> Nochmal kurzgefasst: Wie kann ich eine Webapplikation mit Hilfe von Lively
>> erstellen?
>>
>> Wie funktioniert das...angefangen bei Null.
>> Wo wird was gespeichert? Gibt es einen editor oder Compiler oder Ähnliches?
>>
>> danke :)
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-Lively-Kernel-new-tp4032809p4032868.html
>> Sent from the Lively Kernel mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Mal

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Hello,

thanks for your fast answer.

Fabian Bornhofen-2 wrote

Mal,
a couple of days ago we sent an e-mail over the mailing list saying
that we're lacking tutorials for our tools and development practice in
general.
I'm actually glad you ask about it. We're definitely going to do
something about it, so my question to you is: If you want to learn to
build applications with Lively, would you prefer video tutorials,
written documentation or something entirely different?

In fact, I'll start thinking of something / doing something as soon as
I get your reply :).

Best,
Fabian

Well,
i need a tutorial which begins at Zero. Where everything is explained in detail.
I have no idea. So it is important for me to know how to begin!?

I like written documentation with lots of shortcuts, so that i can follow each step.

Can u explain me how to use the "repository", i also need information, tutorials about that. :)

thanks for your help.

best regards, Mal.

Ryan Riley

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Fabian Bornhofen <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm actually glad you ask about it. We're definitely going to do
something about it, so my question to you is: If you want to learn to
build applications with Lively, would you prefer video tutorials,
written documentation or something entirely different?

I don't know if you've seen them, but I really enjoyed the video tutorials for the Reactive Extensions. I don't mean the studio quality film editing, just the short, definitive tutorial style. Their hands-on lab was also really good and was the first thing I tried when I started learning. If you have more time or want to start with an outline and let others collaborate, you could follow the wikibook format and use the Lively Wiki to both teach and allow people to learn through contributing. :)

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Fabian Bornhofen-2

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Hi -

as promised, here's my first video tutorial on how to convert
currencies (every programming environment should have that, right?):
http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/documentation/videoTutorials/111114_CurrencyConverter.mp4

It's probably a bit dense which is why I'd recommend to have a look at
Los Profesores first:
http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/documentation/profesores.xhtml

I think it would be cool to have a tutorial on "building a blog with
LK and CouchDB in 10 minutes" which sounds quite feasible after what
I've seen in the PartsBin.

Ryan, thanks for the links.

Best,
Fabian

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Ryan Riley <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Fabian Bornhofen
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm actually glad you ask about it. We're definitely going to do
>> something about it, so my question to you is: If you want to learn to
>> build applications with Lively, would you prefer video tutorials,
>> written documentation or something entirely different?
>
> I don't know if you've seen them, but I really enjoyed the video tutorials
> for the Reactive Extensions. I don't mean the studio quality film editing,
> just the short, definitive tutorial style. Their hands-on lab was also
> really good and was the first thing I tried when I started learning. If you
> have more time or want to start with an outline and let others collaborate,
> you could follow the wikibook format and use the Lively Wiki to both teach
> and allow people to learn through contributing. :)
> Ryan

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Bert Freudenberg

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

On 14.11.2011, at 21:58, Fabian Bornhofen wrote:

> Hi -
>
> as promised, here's my first video tutorial on how to convert
> currencies (every programming environment should have that, right?):
> http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/documentation/videoTutorials/111114_CurrencyConverter.mp4

Very nice, and reasonably straight-forward (*).

- Bert -

(*) except for the button relabeling ;)

> It's probably a bit dense which is why I'd recommend to have a look at
> Los Profesores first:
> http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/documentation/profesores.xhtml
>
> I think it would be cool to have a tutorial on "building a blog with
> LK and CouchDB in 10 minutes" which sounds quite feasible after what
> I've seen in the PartsBin.
>
> Ryan, thanks for the links.
>
> Best,
> Fabian

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Fabian Bornhofen-2

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> (*) except for the button relabeling ;)

I actually felt a bit uncomfortable showing that in the video :).

Best,
Fabian
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Roeder, Marko

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

On Nov 15, 2011, at 18:40 , Fabian Bornhofen wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> (*) except for the button relabeling ;)
>
> I actually felt a bit uncomfortable showing that in the video :).

... I was surprised: Why not do [Halo on] -> [M item] (menu) -> set label ;-).
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Fabian Bornhofen-2

Re: How to use Lively Kernel? (new)

Whoops.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Roeder, Marko
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Nov 15, 2011, at 18:40 , Fabian Bornhofen wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> (*) except for the button relabeling ;)
>>
>> I actually felt a bit uncomfortable showing that in the video :).
>
> ... I was surprised: Why not do [Halo on] -> [M item] (menu) -> set label ;-).
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