I cannot believe that Browser is relying on Object>>initialExtent

>  A lot of Squeak code looks like it was written w/o thought of exceptions.  There is probably good reason for that, in that much of it comes from before the days of structured exception handling, weak collections, etc.  In fairness, having a browser, or worse yet a debugger, quit over a bad receiver problem can turn ugly.  By putting things in Object, those types of bugs would be largely avoided.  I'm not saying it is a good way to work, but it is wide spread in Squeak.
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> Bill
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> argh.......
> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
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>  A lot of Squeak code looks like it was written w/o thought of exceptions.  There is probably good reason for that, in that much of it comes from before the days of structured exception handling, weak collections, etc.  In fairness, having a browser, or worse yet a debugger, quit over a bad receiver problem can turn ugly.  By putting things in Object, those types of bugs would be largely avoided.  I'm not saying it is a good way to work, but it is wide spread in Squeak.
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> Bill
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> Object>>initialExtent
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> argh.......
> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
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> Stef,
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> Agreed - Object is not a good home for methods that clearly have no place there.  I'm not excusing the poor practice, but I _think_ I understand how it came about.
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> Bill
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> :)
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> I really think that putting a method in object just because may be at one point a wrong object may receive a message should be avoided. Just already puting initialExtent into CodeHolder fixes some use cases....
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>> Stef,
>>
>> And you were ready to give up on Pharo... :)
>
> :)
> Now I start to have fun and I feel that the board is moving and ready for several turn around the earth (funny for a lighthouse).
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>> A lot of Squeak code looks like it was written w/o thought of exceptions.  There is probably good reason for that, in that much of it comes from before the days of structured exception handling, weak collections, etc.  In fairness, having a browser, or worse yet a debugger, quit over a bad receiver problem can turn ugly.  By putting things in Object, those types of bugs would be largely avoided.  I'm not saying it is a good way to work, but it is wide spread in Squeak.
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>> Bill
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>> Stéphane Ducasse
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:36 PM
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>> Subject: [Pharo-project] I cannot believe that Browser is relying on
>> Object>>initialExtent
>>
>> argh.......
>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
>>
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> argh.......
> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
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> And #defaultColor and #inform: and #modelSleep and #modelWakeUp and
> #modelWakeUpIn: and ...
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> 2010/1/12 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>> argh.......
>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
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> hold on :)
> we will kill a lot of them one at a time with a nice chainsaw :)
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> Stef
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> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
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>> And #defaultColor and #inform: and #modelSleep and #modelWakeUp and
>> #modelWakeUpIn: and ...
>>
>> 2010/1/12 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>> argh.......
>>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
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>>> Stef
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> hold on :)
> we will kill a lot of them one at a time with a nice chainsaw :)
>
> Stef
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> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
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>> And #defaultColor and #inform: and #modelSleep and #modelWakeUp and
>> #modelWakeUpIn: and ...
>>
>> 2010/1/12 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>> argh.......
>>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
>>>
>>> Stef
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> Kill them , please. :)
> I dreaming about the time, when every method in Object will have a
> very strong reasons to stay there.
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> 2010/1/13 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>> hold on :)
>> we will kill a lot of them one at a time with a nice chainsaw :)
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
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>>> And #defaultColor and #inform: and #modelSleep and #modelWakeUp and
>>> #modelWakeUpIn: and ...
>>>
>>> 2010/1/12 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>:
>>>> argh.......
>>>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
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> hold on :)
> we will kill a lot of them one at a time with a nice chainsaw :)
>
> Stef
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>> And #defaultColor and #inform: and #modelSleep and #modelWakeUp and
>> #modelWakeUpIn: and ...
>>
>> 2010/1/12 Stéphane Ducasse :
>>> argh.......
>>> May be not putting everything in Object would help.
>>>
>>> Stef
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