I need a windows user and a linux user to test

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Re: I need a windows user and a linux user to test

CyrilFerlicot
We already have some issues about that, we just need to do the work.

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15289/GLMAction-should-use-PharoShortcut
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15619/cleanup-TextEditors-shortcut-definition
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15585/We-need-to-clean-hard-code-shortcuts-in-Nautilus
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15582/MethodWidget-class-elementsMenu-have-hard-code-for-shortcuts
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15292/GLMPopper-GLMPrintPopper-GLMWatcherWindow-and-GLMWhitespaceTheme-need-tu-use-PharoShortcuts


On 28 May 2015 at 21:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

> well, along with this slice I opened:
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15627
>
> who “fixes” the glamour issue. but it needs to be integrated so it will take
> a couple of days more.
>
> hope with this at least the look of menus are normalised.
>
> after we need to work on removing old shortcuts and add them through
> keybindings, then we can have a coherent shortcut set (one step at a time).
>
> Esteban
>
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2015, at 21:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> (whoops accidentally sent that last post)
>
> and since we are there: What happens with linux?
>
> Esteban
>
>
> Linux is the same as Windows.
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch
> between windows it is alt + tab ...
> But there is also a meta key, the windows key.
>
>
> This confuses the issue. :)  From Pharo's perspective, the windows-key
> does not exist.  I really believe the windows-key should *not* be
> considered a meta-key, and some call it the super-key.
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Currently, on Windows, the keymapping framework knows only two modifiers
> "ctrl" and "command" the windows key "alt" maps to "command"
>
> 2015-05-28 20:16 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>:
>
>
> I’m lost now.
> Which one is the “meta” key in windows? Alt or Ctrl?
>
> Esteban
>
>
> Note that he said *currently* , not that it was correct.  Indeed it is
> wrong per platform conventions.  Observe all the PharoShortcuts saying
> for example...
>     ^ $b command mac | $b ctrl win | $b ctrl unix
>
> That is...
>   Linux/Windows meta-key = Ctrl.
>   OSX meta-key = Cmd
>
>   Alt should remain Alt and be equivalent to Option on osx, but it
> seems on Windows that somewhere low level the Alt key *becomes* a Cmd
> key. This needs to be killed.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test
> this issue:
>
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621
>
> basically, it normalises all menu shortcut output… in a long but clear
> way (and compatible with the platform).
>
> cheers,
> Esteban
>
>
> Thanks for doing this.  It might be a bit bumpy road but really needs
> to be done.
> Now my opinion is based on previously being a long term Windows Pharo
> user, but right now I need to find a Windows machine to assist.
> cheers -ben
>
>



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Cheers
Cyril Ferlicot

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Re: I need a windows user and a linux user to test

Nicolai Hess
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2015-05-28 20:30 GMT+02:00 Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]>:
Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl.

If so, then this is an important issue:

windows vm does not distinguish between ctrl+a and ctrl+home

if we want to remove the shortcuts that using alt and ctrl and use
ctrl only on windows, this needs to be fixed.
Otherwise you can not assign
ctrl+a to select all
ctrl+d to doIt
because it currently maps
ctrl+a -> "Home"
and
ctrl+d -> "End"



 

El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> escribió:
ok… but we are using what?
alt or ctrl?
my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image):

Ctrl + Shift + S

or

Alt + Shift + S

and since we are there: What happens with linux?

Esteban


On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]> wrote:

It depends, ahah.
To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... 
But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. 

As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts 

Franck


From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

I’m lost now. 
Which one is the “meta” key in windows? Alt or Ctrl?

Esteban

On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <[hidden email]> wrote:



2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>:
I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things :

- To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually.

this changed just recently
ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut.

(pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list))


 
- Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text)
 
I will continue to find this kind of thing 

Cheers,

Franck

From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test


Hi, 

I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: 


basically, it normalises all menu shortcut output… in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform).

cheers, 
Esteban


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