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Sean P. DeNigris

IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

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Dear all,

There were several posts in the "Beacon for Pharo 7" thread which top-posted
on top of massive unsnipped quotes that were several-previous-posts deep.
IMHO this made the conversation impossible to follow. This issue has cropped
up from time to time in other threads.

Please adhere to basic ML etiquette [1] to maximize our effectiveness. Two
essential guidelines are:
1) snip quoted material to just what's necessary to understand what's
being replied to
2) Post reply /after/ the quote from the OP, not before.

1.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp55179976

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Cheers,
Sean

Ben Coman

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

On 28 May 2018 at 11:48, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear all,

There were several posts in the "Beacon for Pharo 7" thread which top-posted
on top of massive unsnipped quotes that were several-previous-posts deep.
IMHO this made the conversation impossible to follow. This issue has cropped
up from time to time in other threads.

Please adhere to basic ML etiquette [1] to maximize our effectiveness. Two
essential guidelines are:
1) snip quoted material to just what's necessary to understand what's
being replied to
2) Post reply /after/ the quote from the OP, not before.

1.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp55179976

e.g...

Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

>Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

>>The lost context.

>>>What makes top-posted replies harder to read than bottom-posted?

>>>>Yes.

>>>>>Should I trim down the quoted part of an email to which I'm replying?

http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html

Part of the problem is the way gmail and other clients *hide* the original text behind three ellipses dots,

so its not immediately obvious how much a thread has grown.

Its good to make a habit of clicking those dots immediately after clicking <Reply>.

cheers -ben

Tim Mackinnon

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

In a world of mobile phones, I think you have to accept top posting, it’s just too hard to work otherwise on a small screen ... that said, quoting a small piece to reply to - is doable, and I think we can all try to do that?

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 May 2018, at 07:26, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 28 May 2018 at 11:48, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear all,

There were several posts in the "Beacon for Pharo 7" thread which top-posted
on top of massive unsnipped quotes that were several-previous-posts deep.
IMHO this made the conversation impossible to follow. This issue has cropped
up from time to time in other threads.

Please adhere to basic ML etiquette [1] to maximize our effectiveness. Two
essential guidelines are:
1) snip quoted material to just what's necessary to understand what's
being replied to
2) Post reply /after/ the quote from the OP, not before.

1.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp55179976

e.g...

Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>The lost context.
>>>What makes top-posted replies harder to read than bottom-posted?
>>>>Yes.
>>>>>Should I trim down the quoted part of an email to which I'm replying?

http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html

Part of the problem is the way gmail and other clients *hide* the original text behind three ellipses dots,
so its not immediately obvious how much a thread has grown.
Its good to make a habit of clicking those dots immediately after clicking <Reply>.

cheers -ben

Guillermo Polito

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Tim Mackinnon <[hidden email]> wrote:

In a world of mobile phones, I think you have to accept top posting, it’s just too hard to work otherwise on a small screen ... that said, quoting a small piece to reply to - is doable, and I think we can all try to do that?

Nice example of top-posting xD

Tim

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

In reply to this post by Tim Mackinnon

Tim Mackinnon <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In a world of mobile phones, I think you have to accept top posting, it’s
> just too hard to work otherwise on a small screen ... that said, quoting
> a small piece to reply to - is doable, and I think we can all try to do that?

I strongly prefer ML-etiquette.

> Sent from my iPhone

That supports NewsTap, which makes it easy to not top-post. I’m not sure
why lines are not broken though.

Stephan

Tim Mackinnon

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

Sent from my iPhone
> On 28 May 2018, at 17:26, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> That supports NewsTap, which makes it easy to not top-post. I’m not sure
> why lines are not broken though.

I’ll try my best - but the normal iPhone mail client simply doesn’t work this way - it top posts. I think we’re on a losing battle with this one.

I do have a copy of NewsTap - I’ll try it again, but I recall mail is just more convenient.

I think Stef is possibly right - if we’re arguing about top vs bottom - we’re better off writing code instead - it possibly means a thread has gone in too long.

Tim

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

On 28/05/2018 12:36, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 28 May 2018, at 17:26, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> That supports NewsTap, which makes it easy to not top-post. I’m not sure
>> why lines are not broken though.
>
> I’ll try my best - but the normal iPhone mail client simply doesn’t work this way - it top posts.

I'm fine with top posting. Even when a thread has both top and
in-between replies.

What really bothers me is that top posting "hides" the huge list of
replies at the bottom. So a two line, top posted reply is a 500 lines of
quoted email below. Top posting should be limited to one quoted email
only. Otherwise you need to start referencing things by letters/numbers
or better... reply below :)

> I think we’re on a losing battle with this one.

I agree. But I'm not giving it away without a fight :P

Regards,

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monty-3

Re: IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette

In reply to this post by Sean P. DeNigris

> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:48 PM
> From: "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Pharo-dev] IMPORTANT: ML Etiquette
>
> Dear all,
>
> There were several posts in the "Beacon for Pharo 7" thread which top-posted
> on top of massive unsnipped quotes that were several-previous-posts deep.
> IMHO this made the conversation impossible to follow. This issue has cropped
> up from time to time in other threads.
>
> Please adhere to basic ML etiquette [1] to maximize our effectiveness. Two
> essential guidelines are:
> 1) snip quoted material to just what's necessary to understand what's
> being replied to
> 2) Post reply /after/ the quote from the OP, not before.

3) Use plain text. Disable any HTML formatting in your mail client.

> 1.
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#idp55179976
>
>
>
> -----
> Cheers,
> Sean
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html
>
>

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