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Sebastián Sastre

Ian goodies suggestion

Dear Ian,

I've changed the image base path (conservating all it's subfolders) to
another path. Then I've started the image and saw your goodies in
'Additional Tools' dolphin folder, don't find the images of their icons.

In case there are any path absolute to their respective resource, I
suggest to relativize it, I mean, make them to search in a relative path.

What should I do now to see those icons right?

thank you,

Seb
PD: the goodies allways works

Ian Bartholomew-19

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Sebastián,

> What should I do now to see those icons right?

The goodies expect their icons to be in a folder located in relation to the
image folder. This is specified in the method...

SessionManager>>idbResourcesFolder.

If you've moved all the folders together I'm not sure why that isn't still
pointing to the correct location?.

You can also see where the tool is looking for it's icon by evaluating
ChunkBrowser defaultIconName

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Ian

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Sebastián Sastre

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Ian,

the icons in the classes are OK (ChunkBrowser for instance) but the ones
that are bad, are those you find in the menu bar of a workspace below Tool
| Additional tools

Also the ones you find in the so called 'System Folder' (the first blue
window that dolphin opens at the beggining) in the Additional Tools (where
you will also found the SUnitBrowser, etc)

regards,

Seb

"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
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> Sebastián,
>
> > What should I do now to see those icons right?
>
> The goodies expect their icons to be in a folder located in relation to
the

> image folder. This is specified in the method...
>
> SessionManager>>idbResourcesFolder.
>
> If you've moved all the folders together I'm not sure why that isn't still
> pointing to the correct location?.
>
> You can also see where the tool is looking for it's icon by evaluating
> ChunkBrowser defaultIconName
>
> --
> Ian
>
> Use the Reply-To address to contact me.
> Mail sent to the From address is ignored.
>
>
>

Ian Bartholomew-19

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Seb,

> the icons in the classes are OK (ChunkBrowser for instance) but the
> ones
> that are bad, are those you find in the menu bar of a workspace below
> Tool
> | Additional tools
>
> Also the ones you find in the so called 'System Folder' (the first
> blue
> window that dolphin opens at the beggining) in the Additional Tools (where
> you will also found the SUnitBrowser, etc)

Hmmm, that's strange. I would have thought they all accessed the same icon
and if one works then they all should.

I shall investigate further to see if I can reproduce it and get back to you
(hopefully)

--
Ian

Ian Bartholomew-19

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

In reply to this post by Sebastián Sastre

Seb,

> I've changed the image base path (conservating all it's subfolders) to
> another path.

When you did that did you reinstall my goodies in the new location or just
move the existing folder structure?

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Ian

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Sebastián Sastre

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
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> Seb,
>
> > I've changed the image base path (conservating all it's subfolders)
to
> > another path.
>
> When you did that did you reinstall my goodies in the new location or just
> move the existing folder structure?

Just move the image. No reinstall.

Seb

Ian Bartholomew-19

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Seb,

> Just move the image. No reinstall.

OK, I've reproduced the issue and can see the incorrect icons. It is caused
because I use separate ico files which are stored in my resources folder.
Dolphin creates and retains (in the image) Icon instances for these files
but the Icon instances remember the filename and path of the ico file they
represent. When you moved the files these Icon instances now point to a
missing file and therefore when they attempt to re-realize themselves they
can't find the ico file to use.

I can't find an easy way of resetting each Icon instances #identifier so
that it points to the correct file (any suggestions from the group?) so my
recommendation would to be to uninstall all my goodies and then reinstall
them into the new location.

FWIW, I personally would be quite uncomfortable just moving a complete
folder tree like this, although it doesn't _appear_ to cause any problems.
If I wanted to move the folder location I would reinstall Dolphin to that
location, reconstruct the subfolders by copy/paste and the reinstall all
packages to get a working image at the new location.

--
Ian

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Schwab,Wilhelm K

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Ian, Seb,

> FWIW, I personally would be quite uncomfortable just moving a complete
> folder tree like this, although it doesn't _appear_ to cause any problems.
> If I wanted to move the folder location I would reinstall Dolphin to that
> location, reconstruct the subfolders by copy/paste and the reinstall all
> packages to get a working image at the new location.

That's what Migrate tries to help one do. I have long treated the CB,
Profiler, etc. as separate items to be added manually, and there is
almost certainly a better way.

I recently found need to do some "preprocessing" during my clean build,
which I accomplished by letting Migrate build its script and then
editing the result. That appears to work fairly well, because once it
works, the script should hopefully continue to work for that image,
perhaps with minor tweaks over time.

Maybe the selecting packages in a directory should add to the current
selection. That would allow one to build up a fairly arbitrary
collection of packages to be scripted. Some documentation would be nice
too ;)

Have a good one,

Bill

--
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
[hidden email]

Sebastián Sastre

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

In reply to this post by Ian Bartholomew-19

Dear Ian,

you said:

> I can't find an easy way of resetting each Icon instances #identifier so
> that it points to the correct file (any suggestions from the group?) so my
> recommendation would to be to uninstall all my goodies and then reinstall
> them into the new location.

...as you may know, Ian's goodies are very useful :) so they easily
become prerequisite of other packages, so that solution works fine in a very
fresh image, but became non practicable in an image that has been used for a
couple of years.

If I found a way of resetting those icons I told you.

best regards,

--
Sebastián Sastre
Seaswork
Special Software Solutions
www.seaswork.com.ar

Sebastián Sastre

A workarround for (was Re: Ian goodies suggestion)

In reply to this post by Ian Bartholomew-19

Dear Ian,

to make the icons show themselves right again I ran this code in my
image and the saved the image:

iansTools := IdbToolShell allSubclasses.

sys := SmalltalkSystemShell allInstances first.

sys subPresenters first

selectionByIndex:13;

onActionPerformed.

additionalTools := sys subPresenters first.

iansTools do:[:toolClass|

(additionalTools list detect:[:folderItem| folderItem description =
toolClass displayString])

icon: toolClass icon]

Enjoy !

--
Sebastián Sastre
Seaswork
Special Software Solutions
www.seaswork.com.ar

"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> escribió en el mensaje
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> Seb,
>
>> Just move the image. No reinstall.
>
> OK, I've reproduced the issue and can see the incorrect icons. It is
> caused because I use separate ico files which are stored in my resources
> folder. Dolphin creates and retains (in the image) Icon instances for
> these files but the Icon instances remember the filename and path of the
> ico file they represent. When you moved the files these Icon instances
> now point to a missing file and therefore when they attempt to re-realize
> themselves they can't find the ico file to use.
>
> I can't find an easy way of resetting each Icon instances #identifier so
> that it points to the correct file (any suggestions from the group?) so my
> recommendation would to be to uninstall all my goodies and then reinstall
> them into the new location.
>
> FWIW, I personally would be quite uncomfortable just moving a complete
> folder tree like this, although it doesn't _appear_ to cause any problems.
> If I wanted to move the folder location I would reinstall Dolphin to that
> location, reconstruct the subfolders by copy/paste and the reinstall all
> packages to get a working image at the new location.
>
> --
> Ian
>
> Use the Reply-To address to contact me.
> Mail sent to the From address is ignored.
>
>

Ian Bartholomew-19

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

In reply to this post by Sebastián Sastre

Sebastián,

> ...as you may know, Ian's goodies are very useful :) so they easily
> become prerequisite of other packages, so that solution works fine in a
> very fresh image, but became non practicable in an image that has been
> used for a couple of years.

OK, but that's a bit of a dangerous situation to be in. Even the most
devout pro-imagers would (I think) say that you should always have a
reasonably easy way of recreating your image from scratch. Dolphin is quite
robust but there are ways of damaging it, some of them quite subtle.

> If I found a way of resetting those icons I told you.

Many thanks. I'll make a note of how you reset the images in case it comes
in useful later.

--
Ian

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Schwab,Wilhelm K

Re: Ian goodies suggestion

Ian, Sebastián,

> OK, but that's a bit of a dangerous situation to be in. Even the most
> devout pro-imagers

You rang??? :)

> would (I think) say that you should always have a
> reasonably easy way of recreating your image from scratch.

Indeed.

> Dolphin is quite
> robust but there are ways of damaging it, some of them quite subtle.

Over time, I've found a few that were not so subtle :) Not only that,
OA will issue a new release, and then all of that code needs to find its
way into the next image.

I somewhat artificially extend the life of my images by "refusing"
(strongly discouraging myself is more the truth of it) to save after
various events, at least until I see them run w/o incident for a while.

I make backups, hopefully at intervals appropriate to the amount of work
that I am doing, and have Migrate standing ready to turn packages into a
script to start over.

Have a good one,

Bill

--
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
[hidden email]