Ian, I have not delayed in asking you to port your ViewComposer package to
Dolpin 4 because of disinterest. I have MISSED having it available. Instead, I have delayed because I thought I ought to contribute to the effort myself. I have managed to convert and import it into Dolphin 4. To get the bitmap images to show up on the 'Toolbar.Align tools' I had to reselect the bitmap file name for each button. It took me a while to figure this out, so at first I just turned off the #hasFlatAppearance so that, even though imageless, I could see where to click, relying on the tool tips to remind me what each blank button did. The main thing I changed to get the package to load was to disable the preuninstall and postinstall scripts (they referred to the missing ShowShellManager). Then, I changed ViewComposer>>onViewOpened so it would send itself the #installSpread message, so that it no longer needs ShowShellManager to put the new toolbar into the ViewComposer. Finally, I added a delta instance variable and #delta, #delta:, #increaseDelta, and #decreaseDelta methods. I also added a context menu to the align toolbar containing the #increaseDelta and #decreaseDelta commands. This lets me change the number of pixels moved at a time by #moveBy: when clicking on the Nudge-Nudge buttons (Beth says I should call it Shove-Shove now that I'm moving by larger distances). Increase multiplies the current delta by 10 and decrease divides the current delta by 10, clamping it between 1 and 500. Any, I have saved it as FcsViewComposer.pac and zip'd it up along with your bitmap and put it on my Smalltalk web page http://www.canyon-medical.com/smalltalk/smalltalk.html for your downloading convenience in case it gives you a head start in converting your package to Dolphin 4. I also put a few other suggestions on that same web page. (If anyone is using the ViewComposer without Ian's enhancements, he is working too hard.) -- Frank [hidden email] |
Frank,
> Ian, I have not delayed in asking you to port your ViewComposer package to > Dolpin 4 because of disinterest. I have MISSED having it available. Yes. Having to scroll down through the aspects list every time to get at the name aspect is the one that is getting to me. The decision to stop using the ShellShowManager[1] is what caused the delay. I was a bit unsure about how to proceed and because of that kept putting it off. The obvious solution is to subclass ViewComposer, add a new view, override/add any required methods and change the Dolphin options to make the new class the default for the ViewComposer. I'm a bit loathe to go down this route though, from a more general point of view, as it means that anyone else, either writing their own tool enhancements or getting some from another source, who used the same technique would have to decide which set to use - they would not coexist. Anyone got any thoughts on that? I'll probably have a go at this over the next few days anyway, after checking out your suggestions and updated version of course. Thanks for that by the way anyway. I've had a few thoughts myself - The spread stuff will probably go - I never really used it much and you can do most of it with the standard layout managers anyway. - Rather than specifying, programmatically, which aspects should be at the top I will try to copy the Win2000 method of remembering which ones are used the most and position those at the top. Thanks for the Nudge (or Shove) <g> Ian [1] Mainly because very few of the goodies would need it now, ViewComposer is probably the only one. I am also not 100% sure that it would fit in with the new Dolphin options where you can specify which class is used for each tool. |
"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:91ttkn$5hbef$[hidden email]... > Frank, > The decision to stop using the ShellShowManager[1] is what caused the delay. Sounds good. I'm happy to have it go away. > The obvious solution is to subclass ViewComposer, add a new view, > override/add any required methods and change the Dolphin options to make the > new class the default for the ViewComposer. I'm a bit loathe to go down this I was a bit reluctant to add an instance variable to ViewComposer. I nearly set up a separate class with a class variable and class-side method to answer (or set) its value just so I wouldn't need to add an instance variable to ViewComposer. I took the easy way out, though, and just added it to ViewComposer. (I have no reluctance to add my own methods to ViewComposer, of course.) I'm sure you and Object Arts know I am happy for any of my changes/suggestions to be incorporated directly into the official Dolphin. I imagine you feel the same. So, perhaps Object Arts will so incorporate the better of our changes and suggestions and we won't need to worry too much about subclassing, etc. It is interesting to think how closely we (Dolphin) can approach the goal of having the best GUI builder of any Smalltalk. I think we are well on the way. > route though, from a more general point of view, as it means that anyone > else, either writing their own tool enhancements or getting some from > another source, who used the same technique would have to decide which set > to use - they would not coexist. Anyone got any thoughts on that? Hand merge and feed our ideas back to you to as the central release point for the "unofficial" ViewComposer, with O-A adopting freely from this as they wish? > I've had a few thoughts myself > - The spread stuff will probably go - I never really used it much Funnily enough, although I seldom use it, I did use it a number of times a few days ago. I'd be inclined to leave it in for whenever it might be useful. It takes up cheap space (on a menu) rather than expensive space (on a tool bar). One thing that catches me now and then is the right-to-left nature of it rather than the more "intuitive" left-to right nature. That is, I would prefer the first widget clicked on wind up on the left and the last widget click on wind up on the right, rather than the current way it is done. > - Rather than specifying, programmatically, which aspects should be at the > top I will try to copy the Win2000 method of remembering which ones are used > the most and position those at the top. Ok. I can live with either. I don't know which I prefer. I know I *hate* Microsoft's changing (some) menus to put only the favorites at the top and replacing the rest with a funny down arrow (e.g. Favorites in Internet Explorer). There is something to be said for finding things exactly where you left them. -- Frank [hidden email] |
Frank,
> Hand merge and feed our ideas back to you to as the central release point > for the "unofficial" ViewComposer, with O-A adopting freely from this as > they wish? Yes. I was thinking more from the "add-on goodies" point of view where I feel it is best to avoid the complicated installation that hand merging might entail. An installable/uninstallable package with no extra steps involved is what I usually try for - it's just a bit difficult with something like VC additions. > > - The spread stuff will probably go - I never really used it much > > Funnily enough, although I seldom use it, I did use it a number of times a > few days ago. Fair enough. It's just as easy to leave it in. > One thing that catches me now and then is the right-to-left > nature of it rather than the more "intuitive" left-to right nature. That > is, I would prefer the first widget clicked on wind up on the left and the > last widget click on wind up on the right, rather than the current way it is > done. I raised exactly the same point myself as I also find it very un-intuitive. It's a bit vague now but it was all to do with the way that Dolphin orders the items, the last item selected is the one that the operation is based on. I checked with Blair (as I recall) as it was a behavioural change made between Dolphin Versions (2 to 3?) and was told that it was intentional as this is the standard Windows UI way of doing things (don't bother - I know your views on that <g>) > Ok. I can live with either. I don't know which I prefer. I know I *hate* > Microsoft's changing (some) menus to put only the favorites at the top and > replacing the rest with a funny down arrow (e.g. Favorites in Internet > Explorer). There is something to be said for finding things exactly where > you left them. Am I the only person in the world who thinks the dynamic menus a brilliant idea - it seems like it <g>. My *hate* is when I do something that makes the whole menus appear again and I can't find the thing I was looking for. Anyway, I can make it an option. I was going to give each aspect a "starting value" anyway, defining it's initial place in the list. If I make updating this value every time an aspect is edited an option then the aspect list will stay in the original order. Ian |
"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:92221u$5r7k7$[hidden email]... > Frank, > > > Hand merge and feed our ideas back to you to as the central release point > > for the "unofficial" ViewComposer, with O-A adopting freely from this as > > they wish? > Yes. I was thinking more from the "add-on goodies" point of view where I > feel it is best to avoid the complicated installation that hand merging > might entail. An installable/uninstallable package with no extra steps > involved is what I usually try for I surely agree with this. I guess what I was thinking of was an installable/uninstallable package from you, which others might possibly modify and feed back to you for consideration. Your method of saving (effectively renaming) system class methods that need to be modified (during preinstallation), loading your replacement, then restoring the original (during postuninstallation) seems to solve the problem of modifying a system class method. This takes care of installing the additions (e.g. modifying #onViewOpened to send #installSpread). The other point would be how to add instance variables. Can you do this also with some preinstall and postuninstall magic? If not, what about a utility class whose only purpose is to hold instance variables (e.g. I nearly added an FcsViewComposer just to hold the class variable delta)? Maybe just plain subclassing ViewComposer would be best after all. Eventually the base Dolphin will remove the hardcoded references to #ViewComposer and all will be fine. Well, I should delete this rambling as I'll be glad with whatever approach you decide upon. > - it's just a bit difficult with something like VC additions. > > That is, I would prefer the first widget clicked on wind up on the left and the > > last widget click on wind up on the right, rather than the current way it > > I raised exactly the same point myself as I also find it very un-intuitive. > It's a bit vague now but it was all to do with the way that Dolphin orders > the items, the last item selected is the one that the operation is based on. Somewhere, I forget, perhaps in WindowBuilder Pro for VA?, there is a setting for whether the model widget is to be the one first selected or the one last selected. But, we still might draw a distinction between the action of matching other widgets' lengths, widths, tops, etc. to the model widget and the action of spreading across. Left to right or right to left is not overly important to me; I can live with it either way. > I checked with Blair (as I recall) as it was a behavioural change made > between Dolphin Versions (2 to 3?) and was told that it was intentional as > this is the standard Windows UI way of doing things (don't bother - I know > your views on that <g>) Oh, it's no bother. I'm glad to discuss those views at length! ;) > Am I the only person in the world who thinks the dynamic menus a brilliant > idea - it seems like it <g>. My *hate* is when I do something that makes > the whole menus appear again and I can't find the thing I was looking for. Fair enough. Probably Microsoft's extensive user testing showed that the majority are with you on this. I would happily settle for knowing how to turn it off (maybe there is a way to turn it off?). > Anyway, I can make it an option. I was going to give each aspect a "starting > value" anyway, defining it's initial place in the list. If I make updating > this value every time an aspect is edited an option then the aspect list > will stay in the original order. Sure, that sounds perfect to me. -- Frank [hidden email] |
Frank,
> Fair enough. Probably Microsoft's extensive user testing showed that the > majority are with you on this. I would happily settle for knowing how to > turn it off (maybe there is a way to turn it off?). IIRC, you're using Win2000? If so Windows - Start Menu/Settings/Task Bar & Start Menu/Use personalized menus Internet Explorer - Tools/Internet Options/Advanced/Enable Personalised Favorites Menu I think some other apps have individual settings as well Ian |
"Ian Bartholomew" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
news:[hidden email]... > > turn it off (maybe there is a way to turn it off?). > IIRC, you're using Win2000? Yes. > Windows - > Start Menu/Settings/Task Bar & Start Menu/Use personalized menus Thanks. It looks like I already had it turned off at this level. I guess it is in Internet Explorer (favorites) that I notice it. > Internet Explorer - > Tools/Internet Options/Advanced/Enable Personalised Favorites Menu Great! Now I have it turned off. It will be funny if I find I don't like it that way as much and go back to personalized menus! At least I have the option now. -- Frank [hidden email] |
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