Ideas of gift :)

> Hi guys
>
> I'm happy to see that our book has been donwloaded 11708 times so far.
> The french version is around 70% and apparently some people started a
> translation in spanish. Excellent!
> If you want to help please join, we can also offer svn hostings if
> necessary.
>
> Now we are discussing giving to squeakfoundation a part of the small
> amount of money we make for the
> printed version (but this is not too much and so far merely covered the
> cost of ISBN and other).
>
> What is important is that we would really like to make this book a
> success to show that we do not need publishers
> anymore and that a documentation may exist:
>
> So you can do three things:
>     - buy the book :). The quality of the printed version is quite good.
>     - write new chapters (more costly) for the next volume
>     - translate it to new languages.
>
> Why this is important: because else people will not do it again and I
> would like to have a case to show that this
> is worht the energy (It is a dream because this took us for too much time).
>
> Stef
>
>
> ------------------------
> Stéphane Ducasse
> USTL - LILF - CNRS UMR 8022 - INRIA
> [hidden email]
> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
>
> "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
> different? ...  especially if,  by doing something different, today
> might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
>
>
>

> On Dec 6, 2007 3:05 AM, Hilaire Fernandes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> A real GREAT gift for Christmas will be to see Squeak relicensed!
>>
>> Will it be possible at least to get info about the actual situation?
>
> We have been told about the actual situation.  The actual situation is
> that to get a new license, the authors have to give permission.
> Squeak has code from many authors.  It is taking a lot of time to get
> the signatures, and they have pretty much quit coming in.  So, the
> plan now is to rewrite all the code from authors who have not signed
> the contributor agreement.  There is a list of this code somewhere.
>
> If you want to see Squeak relicensed then perhaps you should volunteer
> to work on rewriting the methods from authors who have not signed an
> agreement.  First, of course, you should sign an agreement.
>
> -Ralph Johnson
>
>

> Hi!
>
> "Ralph Johnson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> If you want to see Squeak relicensed then perhaps you should volunteer
>> to work on rewriting the methods from authors who have not signed an
>> agreement.  First, of course, you should sign an agreement.
>
> I mentioned awhile back that I could take on a little bit of this and
> here is a first small contribution - a rewrite of methods tagged as
> Jerry Achibald (not with us anymore):
>
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6800
>
> Might need a tiny bit of test/reviewing but I hope it is clean.

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> [hidden email] a écrit :
>> Hi!
>>
>> "Ralph Johnson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> If you want to see Squeak relicensed then perhaps you should  
>>> volunteer
>>> to work on rewriting the methods from authors who have not signed an
>>> agreement.  First, of course, you should sign an agreement.
>>
>> I mentioned awhile back that I could take on a little bit of this and
>> here is a first small contribution - a rewrite of methods tagged as
>> Jerry Achibald (not with us anymore):
>>
>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6800
>>
>> Might need a tiny bit of test/reviewing but I hope it is clean.
>
>
> According to the FSF feedback -- which a believe to be strick  
> regarding
> license issue -- short contribution (less than 10 lines) can just be
> ignored.

>
> On Dec 6, 2007, at 17:07 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>
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>> [hidden email] a écrit :
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> "Ralph Johnson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> If you want to see Squeak relicensed then perhaps you should volunteer
>>>> to work on rewriting the methods from authors who have not signed an
>>>> agreement.  First, of course, you should sign an agreement.
>>>
>>> I mentioned awhile back that I could take on a little bit of this and
>>> here is a first small contribution - a rewrite of methods tagged as
>>> Jerry Achibald (not with us anymore):
>>>
>>>     http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6800
>>>
>>> Might need a tiny bit of test/reviewing but I hope it is clean.
>>
>>
>> According to the FSF feedback -- which a believe to be strick regarding
>> license issue -- short contribution (less than 10 lines) can just be
>> ignored.
>
> The board is currently in contact with the Software Freedom Law Center
> for this and other issues around the relicensing.

> Bert Freudenberg a écrit :
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2007, at 17:07 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>> [hidden email] a écrit :
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> "Ralph Johnson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> If you want to see Squeak relicensed then perhaps you should  
>>>>> volunteer
>>>>> to work on rewriting the methods from authors who have not  
>>>>> signed an
>>>>> agreement.  First, of course, you should sign an agreement.
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned awhile back that I could take on a little bit of  
>>>> this and
>>>> here is a first small contribution - a rewrite of methods tagged as
>>>> Jerry Achibald (not with us anymore):
>>>>
>>>>     http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6800
>>>>
>>>> Might need a tiny bit of test/reviewing but I hope it is clean.
>>>
>>> According to the FSF feedback -- which a believe to be strick  
>>> regarding
>>> license issue -- short contribution (less than 10 lines) can just be
>>> ignored.
>>
>> The board is currently in contact with the Software Freedom Law  
>> Center
>> for this and other issues around the relicensing.
>
> We are listening to this music since months....
> May be turning to Face B ;-)

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> A real GREAT gift for Christmas will be to see Squeak relicensed!
>
> Will it be possible at least to get info about the actual situation?
>
> I don't see the point to give money to the Squeak foundation if the
> community does not get any info/update regarding the *actual* situation
> regarding the relicensing.
>
> The relicensing will just help to get more attention on Squeak/Smalltalk
> from the free software community. But may be some people does not want
> that or so ?
>
>
>
>
> stephane ducasse a écrit :
>
> > Hi guys
> >
> > I'm happy to see that our book has been donwloaded 11708 times so far.
> > The french version is around 70% and apparently some people started a
> > translation in spanish. Excellent!
> > If you want to help please join, we can also offer svn hostings if
> > necessary.
> >
> > Now we are discussing giving to squeakfoundation a part of the small
> > amount of money we make for the
> > printed version (but this is not too much and so far merely covered the
> > cost of ISBN and other).
> >
> > What is important is that we would really like to make this book a
> > success to show that we do not need publishers
> > anymore and that a documentation may exist:
> >
> > So you can do three things:
> >     - buy the book :). The quality of the printed version is quite good.
> >     - write new chapters (more costly) for the next volume
> >     - translate it to new languages.
> >
> > Why this is important: because else people will not do it again and I
> > would like to have a case to show that this
> > is worht the energy (It is a dream because this took us for too much time).
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Stéphane Ducasse
> > USTL - LILF - CNRS UMR 8022 - INRIA
> > [hidden email]
> > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
> >
> > "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
> > different? ...  especially if,  by doing something different, today
> > might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> On 6-Dec-07, at 9:21 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>
>>
>> It takes time. In particular Craig's. Kudos to him, and we are hopeful
>> to report more progress soon.
>
>
> I'll echo that; Craig has spent a lot of time working with SFLC and much
> of the delay is due to them being busy. Since they're essentially giving
> us something for free we cannot pressure them as one might if we were
> paying.
>
> If having the license finally sorted out is truly important to you -
> anyone - then please offer assistance to help us get it solved sooner
> rather than later. Offer to ferret out one or more of the missing
> authors, or to rewrite some of the worrisome methods. It it is important
> to your business, perhaps offering some bounty cash to others to do
> rewrites might help.

>
>  > The relicensing will just help to get more attention on
>  > Squeak/Smalltalk from the free software community. But may be some
>  > people does not want that or so ?
>
>      Hey, come on... You already asked about the licensing once while I
> was asleep. At list give me a chance to wake up and respond to it before
> making comments like that. :)
>
>
>      thanks,