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Iliad 0.8 released!

Nicolas Petton
We are happy to announce the release of Iliad version 0.8 for GNU
Smalltalk et Pharo.

New features include:

- Iliad is now using Grease and non portable code has been partially
replaced;
- The "mark dirty" mechanism has been rewritten to improve support for
tabs/windows sharing the same session;
- The new Formula package makes it easy to build validated forms;
- Control flow has been improved with new widgets (like confirmations,
sequences, etc) and widgets can append or prepend other widgets;
- In addition to static files served with ILDiskDirectory, they can also
be served from the image with ILMemoryDirectory;
- Smalltalk code can be evaluated on DOM events with #on<event>Do: ;
- Rewrite rules can be applied to the url builder;

Last but not least, the release also includes an experimental
implementation of Comet using XmlHttpRequest long polling.


GNU Smalltalkers can download Iliad with gst-package (using GST 3.2):
gst-package -t ~/.st --download iliad

Or clone it from github:
git clone git://github.com/NicolasPetton/iliad.git


Pharo users can download a preconfigured image:
http://www.iliadproject.org/resources/lYk5F_GiApFb/ggAMT_HRzRph9Yxp/Iliad-0.8-Pharo.zip

Or download Iliad packages from the SqueakSource repository:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Iliad.html

We would like to thank Steven Costiou for his work on the Pharo version
of Iliad.


Nicolas Petton & Sébastien Audier

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

garduino
Congrats Nico and Seb !

2010/4/17 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>:

> We are happy to announce the release of Iliad version 0.8 for GNU
> Smalltalk et Pharo.
>
> New features include:
>
> - Iliad is now using Grease and non portable code has been partially
> replaced;
> - The "mark dirty" mechanism has been rewritten to improve support for
> tabs/windows sharing the same session;
> - The new Formula package makes it easy to build validated forms;
> - Control flow has been improved with new widgets (like confirmations,
> sequences, etc) and widgets can append or prepend other widgets;
> - In addition to static files served with ILDiskDirectory, they can also
> be served from the image with ILMemoryDirectory;
> - Smalltalk code can be evaluated on DOM events with #on<event>Do: ;
> - Rewrite rules can be applied to the url builder;
>
> Last but not least, the release also includes an experimental
> implementation of Comet using XmlHttpRequest long polling.
>
>
> GNU Smalltalkers can download Iliad with gst-package (using GST 3.2):
> gst-package -t ~/.st --download iliad
>
> Or clone it from github:
> git clone git://github.com/NicolasPetton/iliad.git
>
>
> Pharo users can download a preconfigured image:
> http://www.iliadproject.org/resources/lYk5F_GiApFb/ggAMT_HRzRph9Yxp/Iliad-0.8-Pharo.zip
>
> Or download Iliad packages from the SqueakSource repository:
> http://www.squeaksource.com/Iliad.html
>
> We would like to thank Steven Costiou for his work on the Pharo version
> of Iliad.
>
>
> Nicolas Petton & Sébastien Audier
>
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> [hidden email]
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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Julian Fitzell-2
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Cool stuff, Nicolas. I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the wild... I'm curious to what degree it met your needs?

I just recorded a podcast with James Robertson this week talking about cross-platform development. He asked what other projects were using Grease and I'm afraid I didn't know to include yours. :)

Julian

2010/4/17 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
We are happy to announce the release of Iliad version 0.8 for GNU
Smalltalk et Pharo.

New features include:

- Iliad is now using Grease and non portable code has been partially
replaced;
- The "mark dirty" mechanism has been rewritten to improve support for
tabs/windows sharing the same session;
- The new Formula package makes it easy to build validated forms;
- Control flow has been improved with new widgets (like confirmations,
sequences, etc) and widgets can append or prepend other widgets;
- In addition to static files served with ILDiskDirectory, they can also
be served from the image with ILMemoryDirectory;
- Smalltalk code can be evaluated on DOM events with #on<event>Do: ;
- Rewrite rules can be applied to the url builder;

Last but not least, the release also includes an experimental
implementation of Comet using XmlHttpRequest long polling.


GNU Smalltalkers can download Iliad with gst-package (using GST 3.2):
gst-package -t ~/.st --download iliad

Or clone it from github:
git clone git://github.com/NicolasPetton/iliad.git


Pharo users can download a preconfigured image:
http://www.iliadproject.org/resources/lYk5F_GiApFb/ggAMT_HRzRph9Yxp/Iliad-0.8-Pharo.zip

Or download Iliad packages from the SqueakSource repository:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Iliad.html

We would like to thank Steven Costiou for his work on the Pharo version
of Iliad.


Nicolas Petton & Sébastien Audier

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Henrik Sperre Johansen
  On 18.04.2010 01:05, Julian Fitzell wrote:
> Cool stuff, Nicolas. I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the
> wild... I'm curious to what degree it met your needs?
>
> I just recorded a podcast with James Robertson this week talking about
> cross-platform development. He asked what other projects were using
> Grease and I'm afraid I didn't know to include yours. :)
>
> Julian
 From my limited experience, beyond the ANSI standard, Grease seems like
a  step forward towards more dialect compatibility,
2c: How about a "Greasifier" (Grease lubricate: ? ;) ), which would take
as input a package/arbitrary unit of code, and emit an equivalent unit
of code, in which methods whose  bytecodes would be equivalent to the
dialect-specific Grease method were rewritten to use the Grease
equivalent? (The other way around would ofc also be possible)

Or in smalltalk:
^Package copyWithAllMethods: [:aMethod | aMethod byteCodeSequenceDo:
[:bcs | (Grease hasMethodEqivalentTo: bcs) ifNotNil: [:equivGreaseCodes
| aMethod with: bcs replacedBy:equivGreaseCodes   ] ]

Cheers,
Henry


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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Julian Fitzell-2
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
 On 18.04.2010 01:05, Julian Fitzell wrote:
Cool stuff, Nicolas. I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the wild... I'm curious to what degree it met your needs?

I just recorded a podcast with James Robertson this week talking about cross-platform development. He asked what other projects were using Grease and I'm afraid I didn't know to include yours. :)

Julian
From my limited experience, beyond the ANSI standard, Grease seems like a  step forward towards more dialect compatibility,
2c: How about a "Greasifier" (Grease lubricate: ? ;) ), which would take as input a package/arbitrary unit of code, and emit an equivalent unit of code, in which methods whose  bytecodes would be equivalent to the dialect-specific Grease method were rewritten to use the Grease equivalent? (The other way around would ofc also be possible)

Have you looked at Slime? It contains lint and rewrite rules for a bunch of non-portable Squeak code. The ones that have rewrite rules will allow you to replace it with valid Grease code.

It can't catch everything of course, but it's a start. Also, sadly, it's not currently portable because RB isn't the same on all platforms.

Julian

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Nicolas Petton
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Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 00:05 +0100, Julian Fitzell a écrit :
> Cool stuff, Nicolas.

Thanks Julian :)

> I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the wild... I'm curious to what
> degree it met your needs?

Once Paolo and I ported it to GNU Smalltalk, it *really* met my needs!
Of course it's a bit Seaside oriented but almost everything I needed was
there.

It allowed me to remove non portable code (like code for encoding,
remove all #asString/#printString, etc), use useful classes provided by
Grease like GRSmallDictionary. In the future I will probably use
GRDelaySend too.

As a direct consequence, I was also able to serve files from the image
without adding dialect specific code :)

And of course Unit tests were really helpful.

Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU Smalltalker
point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can leave with
that for now.

Cheers!

Nicolas

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Ramiro Diaz Trepat-2
Thanks for the announcement but, what is iliad?



2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 00:05 +0100, Julian Fitzell a écrit :
> Cool stuff, Nicolas.

Thanks Julian :)

> I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the wild... I'm curious to what
> degree it met your needs?

Once Paolo and I ported it to GNU Smalltalk, it *really* met my needs!
Of course it's a bit Seaside oriented but almost everything I needed was
there.

It allowed me to remove non portable code (like code for encoding,
remove all #asString/#printString, etc), use useful classes provided by
Grease like GRSmallDictionary. In the future I will probably use
GRDelaySend too.

As a direct consequence, I was also able to serve files from the image
without adding dialect specific code :)

And of course Unit tests were really helpful.

Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU Smalltalker
point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can leave with
that for now.

Cheers!

Nicolas

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Nicolas Petton
Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 12:49 +0100, Ramiro Diaz Trepat a écrit :
> Thanks for the announcement but, what is iliad?

Oops, I guess I should have explained it...

Iliad is a new web framework. It is made around the following features:

- standalone stateful widgets
- automatic AJAX with degradation to normal requests if javascript is
not available
- RESTful applications
- simple and concise API
- easy to setup and deploy


It reuses pieces of code from other frameworks:
the dispatch pattern from HttpView2, the composite element hierarachy
for building HTML from Aida/Web, and the stateful widgets from Seaside,
however without using continuations.

You can learn more at: http://www.iliadproject.org

Cheers!

Nicolas



>
>
>
>
> 2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
>         Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 00:05 +0100, Julian Fitzell a
>         écrit :
>         > Cool stuff, Nicolas.
>        
>         Thanks Julian :)
>        
>         > I'm happy to see Grease getting use in the wild... I'm
>         curious to what
>         > degree it met your needs?
>        
>        
>         Once Paolo and I ported it to GNU Smalltalk, it *really* met
>         my needs!
>         Of course it's a bit Seaside oriented but almost everything I
>         needed was
>         there.
>        
>         It allowed me to remove non portable code (like code for
>         encoding,
>         remove all #asString/#printString, etc), use useful classes
>         provided by
>         Grease like GRSmallDictionary. In the future I will probably
>         use
>         GRDelaySend too.
>        
>         As a direct consequence, I was also able to serve files from
>         the image
>         without adding dialect specific code :)
>        
>         And of course Unit tests were really helpful.
>        
>         Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU
>         Smalltalker
>         point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can
>         leave with
>         that for now.
>        
>         Cheers!
>        
>         Nicolas
>        
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Julian Fitzell-2
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2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU Smalltalker
point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can leave with
that for now.

To be honest, I'm not totally happy with that part either. :) It's good enough for now but reworking the encoding stuff is on my (personal, anyway) list for Seaside 3.1.

Julian

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Re: Iliad 0.8 released!

Nicolas Petton
Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 19:25 +0100, Julian Fitzell a écrit :

> 2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
>         Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU
>         Smalltalker
>         point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can
>         leave with
>         that for now.
>
> To be honest, I'm not totally happy with that part either. :) It's
> good enough for now but reworking the encoding stuff is on my
> (personal, anyway) list for Seaside 3.1.
Why do you keep Grease into Seaside's repository? Couldn't it have its
own repository and roadmap?

Nicolas

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Julian Fitzell-2
2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
Le dimanche 18 avril 2010 à 19:25 +0100, Julian Fitzell a écrit :
> 2010/4/18 Nicolas Petton <[hidden email]>
>         Now I'm not really happy with the codec stuff, as from a GNU
>         Smalltalker
>         point of view it seems too Squeak/Pharo oriented, but I can
>         leave with
>         that for now.
>
> To be honest, I'm not totally happy with that part either. :) It's
> good enough for now but reworking the encoding stuff is on my
> (personal, anyway) list for Seaside 3.1.

Why do you keep Grease into Seaside's repository? Couldn't it have its
own repository and roadmap?

I suppose it might have it's own repository sometime. It probably will have its own "roadmap". It will *definitely* have its own version numbering (though releases will probably coincide fairly closely with Seaside's releases, at least for a while - I'm imagining a 1.0 release to coincide with Seaside's 3.0 final).

For now it's more convenient for us to have it all in one repository. Also, we're not ready to cut the tie to Seaside... Grease is still, fundamentally, Seaside's compatibility layer. For now we're doing what we can to keep it general and inviting others to use it if it fits their needs (we certainly hope it does), but we need to ensure it's fitting our needs. Over time, as it becomes more general, if people are adopting it and we're more confident in its evolution, maybe we'll cut it loose.

Julian

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