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Sean P. DeNigris

Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

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I'd like to see something done *well* (i.e. beautiful OOP) in Morphic. All the tutorials I've seen are simple games, or with very simple models (e.g. a ClockMorph that just queries a time and updates). Ideally, it'd be like Seaside's todo list example, where a user could add to (e.g. new task) and change (e.g. change task due date) the model, but in Morphic.

Thanks.
Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Stéphane Rollandin

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

> I'd like to see something done *well* (i.e. beautiful OOP) in Morphic. All
> the tutorials I've seen are simple games, or with very simple models (e.g. a
> ClockMorph that just queries a time and updates). Ideally, it'd be like
> Seaside's todo list example, where a user could add to (e.g. new task) and
> change (e.g. change task due date) the model, but in Morphic.

Hello,

I happened to just package the TaalPulse application by Guillaume
Pothier (from: http://taalpulse.net/) so that it loads easily in a
Squeak image (if you get it from the original website, you will not have
complete sources).

It's there: http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/taalbox.zip

To install, unzip in the same folder as your image, file-in TaalBox.st
then evaluate "TaalBox open"

It's a nice music morphic app; and an original front-end for a
non-trivial job.

Stef

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

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Stéphane Rollandin wrote

I happened to just package the TaalPulse application... a nice music morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.

Cool, thanks!

Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Casey Ransberger-2

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

While I can tell that you're looking for an application, I figured I may as well recommend:

If you would like to see Morphic done beautifully, you might check out Cuis. Juan has spent years cleaning up the cruft that accumulated while the VPRI folks were making "one more run at the [Dynabook] fence."

The result is a GUI layer that's much easier to work with, and less confusing. I can get worlds more done in the same amount time when working with the Cuis Morphic implementation.

In the longer term, I would be ecstatic to see Squeak adopt the Morphic implementation from Cuis. I simply cannot rave enough about how wonderful an experience it's been to work with.

On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:03 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
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>> I happened to just package the TaalPulse application... a nice music
>> morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.
>>
> Cool, thanks!
>
> Sean
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3179254.html
> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Sean P. DeNigris

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

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Casey Ransberger-2 wrote

While I can tell that you're looking for an application, I figured I may as well recommend... Cuis.

I'll take a look.

Casey Ransberger-2 wrote

In the longer term, I would be ecstatic to see Squeak adopt the Morphic implementation from Cuis. I simply cannot rave enough about how wonderful an experience it's been to work with.

What's preventing this from happening, say... today or tomorrow ;-)

Sean

On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:03 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:

>
>
> Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
>>
>> I happened to just package the TaalPulse application... a nice music
>> morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.
>>
> Cool, thanks!
>
> Sean
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3179254.html
> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Cheers,
Sean

Casey Ransberger-2

Reg. SimpleMorphic integration (wasRe: [squeak-dev] Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?)

Squeak has a lot of UI surface that would need to be ported, I think. I don't know how much, if any, of that is handled by Juan's SimpleMorphic package.

Juan? Care to chime in?

On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:17 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
> Casey Ransberger-2 wrote:
>>
>> While I can tell that you're looking for an application, I figured I may
>> as well recommend... Cuis.
>>
> I'll take a look.
>
>
> Casey Ransberger-2 wrote:
>>
>> In the longer term, I would be ecstatic to see Squeak adopt the Morphic
>> implementation from Cuis. I simply cannot rave enough about how wonderful
>> an experience it's been to work with.
>>
> What's preventing this from happening, say... today or tomorrow ;-)
>
> Sean
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:03 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
>>>
>>> I happened to just package the TaalPulse application... a nice music
>>> morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.
>>>
>> Cool, thanks!
>>
>> Sean
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3179254.html
>> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3190353.html
> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Stéphane Rollandin

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

In reply to this post by Sean P. DeNigris

>> In the longer term, I would be ecstatic to see Squeak adopt the Morphic
>> implementation from Cuis. I simply cannot rave enough about how wonderful
>> an experience it's been to work with.
>>
> What's preventing this from happening, say... today or tomorrow ;-)

For one thing, it would probably break all my code...

Stef

Michael Davies-2

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

In reply to this post by Stéphane Rollandin

2011/1/7 Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]>

I happened to just package the TaalPulse application by Guillaume Pothier (from: http://taalpulse.net/) so that it loads easily in a Squeak image (if you get it from the original website, you will not have complete sources).

It's there: http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/taalbox.zip

To install, unzip in the same folder as your image, file-in TaalBox.st then evaluate "TaalBox open"

It's a nice music morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.

There's a few hard-coded backslashes in TaalBox>>load TaalBox>>loadTaalCollections: and TaalBox>>reload which are an issue on OS X, but once you fix those, it's fun to play with. Thanks for sharing this.

Levente Uzonyi-2

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

In reply to this post by Sean P. DeNigris

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

Someone has to do it. Without breaking existing code (or breaking as
little as possible). There was an idea to do it by creating a new kind of
Project (SimpleMorphicProject). I'm pretty sure that's the right way.
Common tools could be toolbuilderized. It doesn't have to be in the base
image, it can be a loadable external package.

Levente

>
> Sean
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:03 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
>>>
>>> I happened to just package the TaalPulse application... a nice music
>>> morphic app; and an original front-end for a non-trivial job.
>>>
>> Cool, thanks!
>>
>> Sean
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3179254.html
>> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-a-Morphic-Tutorial-showing-a-complex-model-tp3172621p3190353.html
> Sent from the Squeak - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

Stéphane Rollandin

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

> Someone has to do it. Without breaking existing code (or breaking as
> little as possible). There was an idea to do it by creating a new kind of
> Project (SimpleMorphicProject). I'm pretty sure that's the right way.
> Common tools could be toolbuilderized. It doesn't have to be in the base
> image, it can be a loadable external package.

Yes, this seems the way to go IMO, wrt backward compatibility

Stef

Juan Vuletich-4

Re: Reg. SimpleMorphic integration (wasRe: [squeak-dev] Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?)

In reply to this post by Casey Ransberger-2

Hi Folks,

Casey Ransberger wrote:
> Squeak has a lot of UI surface that would need to be ported, I think. I don't know how much, if any, of that is handled by Juan's SimpleMorphic package.
>
> Juan? Care to chime in?
>

Yes, Cuis is great :) . I recommend everybody to take a look at
www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html , download it, and use it.

As I say in the web page, I'm not caring too much about compatibility,
but about simpler and better code. Porting Squeak code to Cuis is rather
simple. Some things in the UI would need to be tweaked, obviously. What
else can I say? Well... please, go to the Cuis web page, read it, use
it. I'll be happy to answer questions.

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich

Juan Vuletich-4

Re: Is there a Morphic Tutorial showing a complex model?

In reply to this post by Stéphane Rollandin

Stéphane Rollandin wrote:

>
>>> In the longer term, I would be ecstatic to see Squeak adopt the Morphic
>>> implementation from Cuis. I simply cannot rave enough about how
>>> wonderful
>>> an experience it's been to work with.
>>>
>> What's preventing this from happening, say... today or tomorrow ;-)
>
> For one thing, it would probably break all my code...
>
> Stef

Sure. If you have lots of legacy code, then switching to a new system is
most likely not a good idea.

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich