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Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

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New issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a proper
scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

For any visualisation that is larger than the screen, you immediately get
lost in Roassal. Furthermore, the current dragging style does not scale for
visualizations that are much larger on one dimension than the screen.

We need a mechanism that helps us:
- get an idea of where we are (and how much is left outside the current
view)
- have an easy way to actually scroll through a larger space

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #1 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Please make one of those scroll methods "holding the space bar" (which
optionally display a hand) that grabs and drags the View background. This
is the same as many graphics programs including at least Photoshop and
Paint.net. I find it difficult to live without it :)

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #2 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Indeed.

This type of navigation is similar to what exists right now, but better.
Here is why:
- Right now, dragging can have two distinct meanings depending on where you
are. Especially, if the element is small, you do not know for certain if
you will drag the element, or if you will scroll through the view
- Having a pseudo-mode (e.g., pressing space) will clarify the situation
significantly.

This type of navigation should not disappear even if we add some other
means.

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #3 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

I agree with you Doru. What I had in mind originally, is to have a mini-map.
Scrollbar should indeed be offered.

@Ben : I am not familiar with this "holding the space bar". Is there such a
think, in let's say Omnigraffle?

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #4 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Not in Omnigraffle, but more in 3d scene tools :).

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #5 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

This evening I will meet some friends who has autocad, I will ask how the
scrolling is handled there.

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

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>
> Comment #3 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer
> a proper scrolling mechanism
> http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896
>
> I agree with you Doru. What I had in mind originally, is to have a
> mini-map.
> Scrollbar should indeed be offered.
>
> @Ben : I am not familiar with this "holding the space bar". Is there
> such a think, in let's say Omnigraffle?
>
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Here is a video demonstration.... Panning at 2:40 to 3:15... (although
earlier is an interesting discussion of zooming shortcut)
Note the 'hand' icon is very small.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixG4TvCz3M

See section "Spacebar for Move Tool"...
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/photoshop/tp/Useful-Photoshop-Keyboard-Shortcuts.htm

See section "The Hand Tool"...
http://www.photoshopessentials.com/basics/photoshop-zoom/

See section "Alternatives to the Pan Tool"....
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/paintnet/a/pan-tool.htm

btw, An interesting competitor...
http://nodebox.net/node/documentation/concepts/gui.html

btw2, Here is another interesting idea that I just came across...
http://www.planswift.com/kb/entry/2258/

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Thanks Ben, this is useful...

Alexandre

On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> Comment #3 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism
>> http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896
>>
>> I agree with you Doru. What I had in mind originally, is to have a mini-map.
>> Scrollbar should indeed be offered.
>>
>> @Ben : I am not familiar with this "holding the space bar". Is there such a think, in let's say Omnigraffle?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Here is a video demonstration.... Panning at 2:40 to 3:15... (although earlier is an interesting discussion of zooming shortcut)
> Note the 'hand' icon is very small.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixG4TvCz3M
>
> See section "Spacebar for Move Tool"...
> http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/photoshop/tp/Useful-Photoshop-Keyboard-Shortcuts.htm
>
> See section "The Hand Tool"...
> http://www.photoshopessentials.com/basics/photoshop-zoom/
>
> See section "Alternatives to the Pan Tool"....
> http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/paintnet/a/pan-tool.htm
>
>
>
> btw, An interesting competitor...
> http://nodebox.net/node/documentation/concepts/gui.html
>
> btw2, Here is another interesting idea that I just came across...
> http://www.planswift.com/kb/entry/2258/
>
>
>
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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

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Comment #6 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Any update on this?

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Comment #7 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
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http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Not much so far. It should not be that difficult however.
But is the minimap not enough? It is pretty cool

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Comment #8 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
proper scrolling mechanism
https://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

A Recurrent issue...
I am assigning an engineer to this issue

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Re: Issue 896 in moose-technology: Roassal should offer a proper scrolling mechanism

Comment #9 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
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Hi, here comes a scroll bar and a scroll pad to have a scalable navigation
in the view.
Try out examples in RTScrollBarBuilderExamples.

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Comment #10 on issue 896 by [hidden email]: Roassal should offer a
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https://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=896

Reviewing this...

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