It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
 
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Hi there,
It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for seaside of its own? I think email is a vehicle of comunication that some times is just too formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, what do you say? Sebastian Sastre _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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I don't know if there's enough people to sustain a critical mass on
seaside alone, but a bunch already hang out in #smalltalk and #seaside over here, irc://irc.parcplace.net/smalltalk irc://irc.parcplace.net/seaside http://parcplace.net/irc -Boris -- +1.604.689.0322 DeepCove Labs Ltd. 4th floor 595 Howe Street Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 [hidden email] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is intended only for the persons named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments. Thank you. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 AM > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > Subject: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > Hi there, > > It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for seaside of its > > I think email is a vehicle of comunication that some times is just > too > formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, > > what do you say? > > Sebastian Sastre > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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Then we need to create "a culture of comunication".
Squeaker seasiders should also feel themselves welcomed and confortable on joining there right? Sebastian Sastre > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Boris Popov > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:11 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > I don't know if there's enough people to sustain a critical mass on > seaside alone, but a bunch already hang out in #smalltalk and #seaside > over here, > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/smalltalk > irc://irc.parcplace.net/seaside > http://parcplace.net/irc > > -Boris > > -- > +1.604.689.0322 > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > [hidden email] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > attachments. > > Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 AM > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > Subject: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > Hi there, > > > > It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for seaside of its > own? > > > > I think email is a vehicle of comunication that some times is > just > > too > > formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, > > > > what do you say? > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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Sure, these are general Smalltalk channels, they just so happen to be on
Cincom's IRC server, but there are other servers linked in. -Boris -- +1.604.689.0322 DeepCove Labs Ltd. 4th floor 595 Howe Street Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 [hidden email] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is intended only for the persons named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments. Thank you. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > Subject: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > Then we need to create "a culture of comunication". > Squeaker seasiders should also feel themselves welcomed and confortable on > joining there right? > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: [hidden email] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > > de Boris Popov > > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:11 > > Para: Seaside - general discussion > > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > I don't know if there's enough people to sustain a critical mass on > > seaside alone, but a bunch already hang out in #smalltalk and > > over here, > > > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/smalltalk > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/seaside > > http://parcplace.net/irc > > > > -Boris > > > > -- > > +1.604.689.0322 > > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > > > [hidden email] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > > attachments. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 AM > > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > > Subject: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for seaside of its > > own? > > > > > > I think email is a vehicle of comunication that some times is > > just > > > too > > > formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, > > > > > > what do you say? > > > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > seaside mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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Right now people not subscribed to email list of proacively and accurately
searching for it wont have the chance to know about the channel. Is a good idea to refer its existence in http://www.seaside.st/community? cheers, Sebastian > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > de Boris Popov > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:34 > Para: Seaside - general discussion > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > Sure, these are general Smalltalk channels, they just so > happen to be on > Cincom's IRC server, but there are other servers linked in. > > -Boris > > -- > +1.604.689.0322 > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > [hidden email] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > attachments. > > Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > Subject: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > Then we need to create "a culture of comunication". > > Squeaker seasiders should also feel themselves welcomed and > confortable on > > joining there right? > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > > De: [hidden email] > > > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > > > de Boris Popov > > > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:11 > > > Para: Seaside - general discussion > > > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > I don't know if there's enough people to sustain a > critical mass on > > > seaside alone, but a bunch already hang out in #smalltalk and > #seaside > > > over here, > > > > > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/smalltalk > > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/seaside > > > http://parcplace.net/irc > > > > > > -Boris > > > > > > -- > > > +1.604.689.0322 > > > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains > information that is > > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > > > attachments. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:seaside- > > > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Sebastian Sastre > > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 AM > > > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > > > Subject: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for > seaside of its > > > own? > > > > > > > > I think email is a vehicle of comunication that > some times is > > > just > > > > too > > > > formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, > > > > > > > > what do you say? > > > > > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > seaside mailing list > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ > > > seaside mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2008/4/28, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
> Right now people not subscribed to email list of proacively and accurately > searching for it wont have the chance to know about the channel. Is a good idea > to refer its existence in http://www.seaside.st/community? I think in #squeak one has probably the highest chance of getting help the whole day. Cheers Philippe > cheers, > > Sebastian > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: [hidden email] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > > de Boris Popov > > > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:34 > > > Para: Seaside - general discussion > > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > Sure, these are general Smalltalk channels, they just so > > happen to be on > > Cincom's IRC server, but there are other servers linked in. > > > > -Boris > > > > -- > > +1.604.689.0322 > > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > > > [hidden email] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > > attachments. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:seaside- > > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Sastre > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:30 AM > > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > > Subject: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > Then we need to create "a culture of comunication". > > > Squeaker seasiders should also feel themselves welcomed and > > confortable on > > > joining there right? > > > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > > > De: [hidden email] > > > > [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre > > > > de Boris Popov > > > > Enviado el: Lunes, 21 de Abril de 2008 13:11 > > > > Para: Seaside - general discussion > > > > Asunto: RE: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > > > I don't know if there's enough people to sustain a > > critical mass on > > > > seaside alone, but a bunch already hang out in #smalltalk and > > #seaside > > > > over here, > > > > > > > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/smalltalk > > > > irc://irc.parcplace.net/seaside > > > > http://parcplace.net/irc > > > > > > > > -Boris > > > > > > > > -- > > > > +1.604.689.0322 > > > > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > > > > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > > > > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > > > > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > > > > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > > > > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains > > information that is > > > > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > > > > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [hidden email] > > [mailto:seaside- > > > > > [hidden email]] On Behalf Of > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:06 AM > > > > > To: 'Seaside - general discussion' > > > > > Subject: [Seaside] It is time for a Seaside IRC channel? > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > > > It's only me who feels the need of an IRC for > > seaside of its > > > > own? > > > > > > > > > > I think email is a vehicle of comunication that > > some times is > > > > just > > > > > too > > > > > formal. I feel we need the casual talk among seasiders, > > > > > > > > > > what do you say? > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian Sastre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > seaside mailing list > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > seaside mailing list > > > > [hidden email] > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > seaside mailing list > > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Philippe Marschall wrote:
> 2008/4/28, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: > >> Right now people not subscribed to email list of proacively and accurately >> searching for it wont have the chance to know about the channel. Is a good idea >> to refer its existence in http://www.seaside.st/community? >> > > I think in #squeak one has probably the highest chance of getting help > the whole day. > > Cheers > Philippe > thats besides the point. What Sebastian is saying is that there is currently a #seaside channel, admittedly a new one, and that it deserves a mention on the seaside website. Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on seaside is not relevant to the point or tot the request. If this is the case, then those in the #seaside channel can say. "you could try asking on the #squeak channel to see if anyone there can help". regards Keith _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2008/4/28, Keith Hodges <[hidden email]>:
> Philippe Marschall wrote: > > > 2008/4/28, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > Right now people not subscribed to email list of proacively and > accurately > > > searching for it wont have the chance to know about the channel. Is a > good idea > > > to refer its existence in http://www.seaside.st/community? > > > > > > > > > > I think in #squeak one has probably the highest chance of getting help > > the whole day. > > > > Cheers > > Philippe > > > > > Erm Phillippe, > > thats besides the point. > > What Sebastian is saying is that there is currently a #seaside channel, > admittedly a new one, and that it deserves a mention on the seaside website. > > Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on seaside is not > relevant to the point or tot the request. Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only thing that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need. That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out that currently #squeak is the first place you go. Cheers Philippe > If this is the case, then those in > the #seaside channel can say. "you could try asking on the #squeak channel > to see if anyone there can help". > > regards > > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> > Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on
> seaside is not > > relevant to the point or tot the request. > > Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only thing > that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need. > > That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out > that currently #squeak is the first place you go. > > Cheers > Philippe > No, is not the point. Unless, of course, you want, for some reason, to preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not all seasiders are squeakers, the likely to found help on #css in the #javascript channel has nothing to do with preserving its separation of concerns. Do we have a trend to try to innovate unnecessarily? even to the point of starting to detriment comunication or preventing its improvment? Can we review how clear is this point for the good of the community? Sebastian _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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choosing a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think...
saying that the seaside channel is quite new and that for historical reasons, you're still more likely to find help on squeak my 2 cents... Cédrick ps: is the seaside channel logged as I know squeak is...http://ircbrowse.com/index.html. Just a question of a bot ? 2008/4/29 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: > > > Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on > > seaside is not > > > relevant to the point or tot the request. > > > > Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only thing > > that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need. > > > > That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out > > that currently #squeak is the first place you go. > > > > Cheers > > Philippe > > > > No, is not the point. Unless, of course, you want, for some reason, to preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not all seasiders are squeakers, the likely to found help on #css in the #javascript channel has nothing to do with preserving its separation of concerns. > > Do we have a trend to try to innovate unnecessarily? even to the point of starting to detriment comunication or preventing its improvment? Can we review how clear is this point for the good of the community? > > Sebastian > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I see a nice feature in having a seaside channel. Maybe create a
seaside component that we could plug in seaside.st so as to live access to #seaside. Would we need comet for that ? or a periodical refresh will be enough ? http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1915 Maybe a viewer would be enough, but less interesting though... Is it doable ? interesting ? Cédrick 2008/4/29 cdrick <[hidden email]>: > choosing a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think... > saying that the seaside channel is quite new and that for historical > reasons, you're still more likely to find help on squeak > > my 2 cents... > > Cédrick > > ps: is the seaside channel logged as I know squeak > is...http://ircbrowse.com/index.html. Just a question of a bot ? > > 2008/4/29 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on > > > seaside is not > > > > relevant to the point or tot the request. > > > > > > Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only thing > > > that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need. > > > > > > That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out > > > that currently #squeak is the first place you go. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Philippe > > > > > > > No, is not the point. Unless, of course, you want, for some reason, to preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not all seasiders are squeakers, the likely to found help on #css in the #javascript channel has nothing to do with preserving its separation of concerns. > > > > Do we have a trend to try to innovate unnecessarily? even to the point of starting to detriment comunication or preventing its improvment? Can we review how clear is this point for the good of the community? > > > > Sebastian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by cedreek
Okay I'll delurk - as someone who's on irc a lot and was asking this question in the channel just the other day, also as someone who knows very little about seaside but actively playing with the non-squeak variants.
Last time I checked there were 2 of us in the #seaside channel on irc.freenode.net (mid-morning UK time). The #squeak channel was much more populated and the consensus there was the traffic was low enough that they'd be happy to answer seaside questions for any dialect of Smalltalk (the irc.parcplace.net channels are also very useful). I don't mind which channel offers support, but if you are going to advertise it, please be prepared to support it. If I'm there I can give long-winded war story-type responses about VisualWorks and GemStone but I'm not going to offer anything sensible about the best way to structure a seaside application. I love IRC, it's great for community, but I also see it as a crutch. Better to take the time to think about your question and your responses and post it on the mailing list. Chances are you'll figure it out for yourself, or at least make some decent progress before asking. Steve On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, cdrick <[hidden email]> wrote: choosing a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think... _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by cedreek
> Is it doable ? interesting ?
That should be doable in less than 20 lines of code, I suppose. There is already an IRC client in Squeak and to hook it up with a Seaside interface should be relatively simple. Personally I don't really see the usefulness of IRC, but it would be certainly cool to have the up-to-date logs included on the web-site. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Steve Wart
2008/4/29 Steve Wart <[hidden email]>:
> Okay I'll delurk - as someone who's on irc a lot and was asking this > question in the channel just the other day, also as someone who knows very > little about seaside but actively playing with the non-squeak variants. > > Last time I checked there were 2 of us in the #seaside channel on > irc.freenode.net (mid-morning UK time). The #squeak channel was much more > populated and the consensus there was the traffic was low enough that they'd > be happy to answer seaside questions for any dialect of Smalltalk (the > irc.parcplace.net channels are also very useful). > > I don't mind which channel offers support, but if you are going to advertise > it, please be prepared to support it. setup with topic and ChanServ or admin bot and so forth. Cheers Philippe > If I'm there I can give long-winded > war story-type responses about VisualWorks and GemStone but I'm not going to > offer anything sensible about the best way to structure a seaside > application. > > I love IRC, it's great for community, but I also see it as a crutch. Better > to take the time to think about your question and your responses and post it > on the mailing list. Chances are you'll figure it out for yourself, or at > least make some decent progress before asking. > > Steve > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, cdrick <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> choosing a compromise as Philippe proposed is enough for now I think... >> saying that the seaside channel is quite new and that for historical >> reasons, you're still more likely to find help on squeak >> >> my 2 cents... >> >> Cédrick >> >> ps: is the seaside channel logged as I know squeak >> is...http://ircbrowse.com/index.html. Just a question of a bot ? >> >> 2008/4/29 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>: >> > > > Whether it is better than #squeak as a source of help on >> > > seaside is not >> > > > relevant to the point or tot the request. >> > > >> > > Oh yes it is. Because go you there looking for help and the only >> > thing >> > > that matters to you is how likely you're getting the help you need. >> > > >> > > That doesn't mean we can't mention it but we should surely point out >> > > that currently #squeak is the first place you go. >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Philippe >> > > >> > >> > No, is not the point. Unless, of course, you want, for some reason, to >> > preserve confusion and misleading. Besides not all seasiders are squeakers, >> > the likely to found help on #css in the #javascript channel has nothing to >> > do with preserving its separation of concerns. >> > >> > Do we have a trend to try to innovate unnecessarily? even to the point >> > of starting to detriment comunication or preventing its improvment? Can we >> > review how clear is this point for the good of the community? >> > >> > Sebastian >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > seaside mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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In reply to this post by Lukas Renggli
2008/4/29 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:
> > Is it doable ? interesting ? > > That should be doable in less than 20 lines of code, I suppose. There > is already an IRC client in Squeak and to hook it up with a Seaside > interface should be relatively simple. Main difficulty is the loggin aspect. And also, I was worried about memory and so on if using a WAListener or only updaters... Anyway, this could be a nice demo component to build... (I just can't try myself right now) > > Personally I don't really see the usefulness of IRC, but it would be > certainly cool to have the up-to-date logs included on the web-site. It's cool as a chat, a dedicated one... you get to know people, and ask stupid questions :) not all problems need a mail... log would be cool, but not squeak log, seaside one...Concerning the bot and all... I think there is a squeak bot project in GSoC so maybe wait until the end of this summer. Cédrick _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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You also need to think about anonymizing e-mail addresses and stuff that people type in there. Not everyone is happy for their chats to be published on the web.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:35 PM, cdrick <[hidden email]> wrote: 2008/4/29 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>: _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
RE: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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In reply to this post by Steve Wart
I'm sure you know an open community has limited
resources and mostly based on good will and volunteering. Also casual
convergence of interests can create oportunities of cooperation. Seaside is an
artifact, among many others, built on that kind of basis.
If you have concrete facts to support complains
about the quality of the support service you receive, say here by mail or
any comunication channel, electronic or not, please expose them so they can be
discussed with clarity. You can ask for more quality of that service but,
as you are informed, you must remember its basis. If you are not satisfied
with that I'm sure you can contact professionals who are most interested in
being contracted by you for a fair price so they can give its bests to
colaborate for your success.
Instrospection is great but is not the silver
bullet to all our problems. Internet is the cruth to factorize geography so
what? Casual chats can make, anybody willing to learn to receive or to provide
help, to assimilate lots of new informations of great quality in cool
interpersonal interactions and in very short time. Is a matter of willing to
create an ambient for that going with what we have and we can't
create an ambient like that with a conditioning attitude. So the question in the
air is: are we capable of making this a valuable part of the Seaside experience?
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Re: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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I have no complaints - I have had great support from everyone.
I would suggest that an irc resource be allowed to develop on its own. Once it proves to be a useful place for new people, then it would be worth advertising its presence. Steve On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Wart <[hidden email]> writes:
Steve> I would suggest that an irc resource be allowed to develop on its Steve> own. Once it proves to be a useful place for new people, then it would Steve> be worth advertising its presence. Well, you have the chicken-and-egg problem then. We can all meet "at the watering hole", but the Internet is full of "holes". :) So we need to agree that "people specifically interested in IRCing about Seaside should go to freenode#seaside" so that there will eventually be a status quo, and questions can get answered. I'm already there, watching for stuff. It doesn't have to be advertised as "get support here". Just "here's the watering hole if you want to chat... might even be a Smart Person or two there to get questions answered". It'll sort itself out soon enough. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <[hidden email]> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: It is time for a Seaside IRC channel?
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2008/4/29, Randal L. Schwartz <[hidden email]>:
> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Wart <[hidden email]> writes: > > Steve> I would suggest that an irc resource be allowed to develop on its > Steve> own. Once it proves to be a useful place for new people, then it would > Steve> be worth advertising its presence. > > Well, you have the chicken-and-egg problem then. We can all > meet "at the watering hole", but the Internet is full of "holes". :) > > So we need to agree that "people specifically interested in IRCing about > Seaside should go to freenode#seaside" so that there will eventually be a > status quo, and questions can get answered. I'm already there, watching for > stuff. > > It doesn't have to be advertised as "get support here". Just "here's the > watering hole if you want to chat... might even be a Smart Person or two there > to get questions answered". It'll sort itself out soon enough. http://www.seaside.st/community/irc It's a wiki so feel free to edit it. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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