Java vs Smalltalk Cage Match
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I'll respond to this later today.
It's an interesting bet. Wish I had spare cash to make this a real competition. W Redline Smalltalk the library issue is moot - James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk Research" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Well, you know, the guy is making a sensible argument. There's a lot of truth in it. Ignoring this problem of missing bindings for X means being ignorant of real life. I love Smalltalk, I prefer it over many alternatives, including Java and Javascript. But sometimes it feels like being overly religious rather than based on hard facts. There is a lot of wishful thinking to not switching to some other language.
-- So let's put it more positively: if your business domain is extremely complex and you can live without bindings for a lot of stuff, then Smalltalk is one of the best choices you can make. If you want to build something cool and modern-looking or leverage code from very C-oriented communities, it is probably easier to byte the bullet and go that route. Programming against C-APIs in Smalltalk is not fun and tool support is poor. So what do you think we should answer? Am Samstag, 21. März 2015 15:41:23 UTC+1 schrieb Richard Eng:
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I finally gave a response. It's the best I could do. What do you think?
-- On Sunday, 22 March 2015 08:07:08 UTC-4, Joachim Tuchel wrote:
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In reply to this post by jtuchel
> Programming against C-APIs in Smalltalk is not fun and tool support > is poor... So what do you think we should answer? How about expressing gratitude for the feedback, and diverting half the energy we would have put into a response into improving the system? :) -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org March 2015: + 1 510 480 5860 (SMS ok) +31 20 893 2796 (no SMS) afterward: +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk Research" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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>> How about expressing gratitude for the feedback, and diverting half the energy we would have put into a response into improving the system? :) Any feedback is good feedback and I'm sure all those involved are grateful for the feedback. I know I am. The first step in fixing anything is acknowledging there is a problem. A fix is the next step. :) On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Craig Latta <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: Java vs Smalltalk Cage Match
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In reply to this post by James Ladd
On 3/22/2015 1:28 AM, James Ladd wrote:
> I'll respond to this later today. > It's an interesting bet. Wish I had spare cash to make this a real competition. > W Redline Smalltalk the library issue is moot Does Redline have the Browser/Inspector/Debugger combo? If not I wouldn't qualify it as a Smalltalk (yet)... Either way this cage fight has been on for quite a while now and the results are known :-/ R - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk Research" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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Good question - yes it does have the browser/inspector etc combo
You use an IDE like intellij and the Resline plugin. All are still a work in progress. Your question raises a very important point, that Smalltalkers don't see the syntax alone as the language yet for 99.99% of other languages the user does think the language is just the syntax. To move Smalltalk forward in discussions this differentiation should be made more clear. Sent from the holodeck. > On 24 Mar 2015, at 12:19 am, Reinout Heeck <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 3/22/2015 1:28 AM, James Ladd wrote: >> I'll respond to this later today. >> It's an interesting bet. Wish I had spare cash to make this a real competition. >> W Redline Smalltalk the library issue is moot > > > Does Redline have the Browser/Inspector/Debugger combo? > > If not I wouldn't qualify it as a Smalltalk (yet)... > > > > > Either way this cage fight has been on for quite a while now and the results are known :-/ > > > > R > - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Smalltalk Research" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/smalltalk-research/utQzPlyNBuc/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to [hidden email]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk Research" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. |
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