Kill gem but get stack?

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

[1] cog_macos32x86_pharo.cog.spur_201609231453.tar.gz

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Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

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GsDevKit_home uses the latest vm that is downloaded from get.pharo.org/vm30 and that's the one that Jupiter (or anyone else installing GsDevKit_home on sierra) will use once you've patched it ...

btw… can you send me the vm version you use regularly ? (Smalltalk vm version). 

So I can just take the commit and patch it. 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

AFAIK the problem is between one or two methods. 

So I just need to change that. 

If it is more complicated, we will have problems :)

cheers, 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:37, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

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Jupiter,

The module that is missing is the gci library file that is used to connect to GemStone ... if you look in $GS_HOME/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins you will see the lib*<gs-version>*.dylib files that are needed ... Normally GsDevKit_home makes sure that the proper gci library files are in the right spot for the platform, but GsDevKit_home also expects to download the appropriate pharo vm from get.pharo.org/vm30 ..

If Esteban is only going to make the vm available from dropbox I guess I'll have to hack something together for GsDevKit_home to be able to find the proper vm without using the Zeroconf stuff ... yuck...

Dale

Hi all,

Esteban published a link to a VM for Pharo4 (3) and macOS 10.12 at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7684634/pharo40-sierra-stable.zip

It launches as expected with a tODE client, however, I get "Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found” in a tODE shell…

Welcome to tODE. 
- Enter `help` if you are having trouble getting started. 
- Enter `man gs gemtools` an intro to tODE for GemTools users. 
- Enter `man --all` for information on tODE commands.
- Enter `builtIns` to list descriptions of built-in commands.
- Enter `project list` to get started...
tode 1 > project list
Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found
tode 1 > 

Not sure what module it’s referring to. Will keep looking :)

Cheers,

J

On 27 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

GsDevKit_home uses the latest vm that is downloaded from get.pharo.org/vm30 and that's the one that Jupiter (or anyone else installing GsDevKit_home on sierra) will use once you've patched it ...

My mac is at home.

On linux, I'm using:

foos:pharo>pharo-vm/pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu May 15 18:29:30 CEST 2014 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: ed4a4f59208968a21d82fd2406f75c2c4de558b2 Date: 2014-05-15 18:23:04 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano [hidden email] Jenkins build #14826
Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/]

and I assume that it is the latest build for Pharo3.0?

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

btw… can you send me the vm version you use regularly ? (Smalltalk vm version). 

So I can just take the commit and patch it. 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

AFAIK the problem is between one or two methods. 

So I just need to change that. 

If it is more complicated, we will have problems :)

cheers, 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:37, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

[1] cog_macos32x86_pharo.cog.spur_201609231453.tar.gz

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Excellent! Have you figured out what's up with the hot stone, yet?

You should be able to use pstack ($GEMSTONE/bin/pstack), but when I tried it on my mac (yosemite) it didn't work ... to figure out what's going on you'd need to attach a debugger to the process and then sample the stack several times and then send us the set of stacks for us to analyze ...

Dale

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have reminded myself not to send messages before my coffee :) I needed to add both the GCI and SSL libs to Pharo and then all was good.

I believe Esteban is going to publish this version so hopefully in a couple of days we’ll be back on track.

Thanks again.

Cheers

J

On 9 Oct. 2016, at 10:03 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter,

The module that is missing is the gci library file that is used to connect to GemStone ... if you look in $GS_HOME/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins you will see the lib*<gs-version>*.dylib files that are needed ... Normally GsDevKit_home makes sure that the proper gci library files are in the right spot for the platform, but GsDevKit_home also expects to download the appropriate pharo vm from get.pharo.org/vm30 ..

If Esteban is only going to make the vm available from dropbox I guess I'll have to hack something together for GsDevKit_home to be able to find the proper vm without using the Zeroconf stuff ... yuck...

Dale

On 10/8/16 3:43 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi all,

Esteban published a link to a VM for Pharo4 (3) and macOS 10.12 at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7684634/pharo40-sierra-stable.zip

It launches as expected with a tODE client, however, I get "Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found” in a tODE shell…

Welcome to tODE. 
- Enter `help` if you are having trouble getting started. 
- Enter `man gs gemtools` an intro to tODE for GemTools users. 
- Enter `man --all` for information on tODE commands.
- Enter `builtIns` to list descriptions of built-in commands.
- Enter `project list` to get started...
tode 1 > project list
Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found
tode 1 > 

Not sure what module it’s referring to. Will keep looking :)

Cheers,

J

On 27 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

GsDevKit_home uses the latest vm that is downloaded from get.pharo.org/vm30 and that's the one that Jupiter (or anyone else installing GsDevKit_home on sierra) will use once you've patched it ...

My mac is at home.

On linux, I'm using:

foos:pharo>pharo-vm/pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu May 15 18:29:30 CEST 2014 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: ed4a4f59208968a21d82fd2406f75c2c4de558b2 Date: 2014-05-15 18:23:04 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano [hidden email] Jenkins build #14826
Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/]

and I assume that it is the latest build for Pharo3.0?

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

btw… can you send me the vm version you use regularly ? (Smalltalk vm version). 

So I can just take the commit and patch it. 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

AFAIK the problem is between one or two methods. 

So I just need to change that. 

If it is more complicated, we will have problems :)

cheers, 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:37, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

[1] cog_macos32x86_pharo.cog.spur_201609231453.tar.gz

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We have started taking a look at Sierra internally and we have confirmed that the stoned process is running hot ... at this point in time we think it is likely to be a Sierra bug, but we haven't made it through our testing process so there may be additional problems to be resolved ...

So, until further notice, you shouldn't try to use GemStone on Sierra ...

In the future it would probably be a good idea to ping us before upgrading to a new Mac version to give us a chance to verify that GemStone is functioning correctly ...

Dale

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have reminded myself not to send messages before my coffee :) I needed to add both the GCI and SSL libs to Pharo and then all was good.

I believe Esteban is going to publish this version so hopefully in a couple of days we’ll be back on track.

Thanks again.

Cheers

J

On 9 Oct. 2016, at 10:03 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter,

The module that is missing is the gci library file that is used to connect to GemStone ... if you look in $GS_HOME/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins you will see the lib*<gs-version>*.dylib files that are needed ... Normally GsDevKit_home makes sure that the proper gci library files are in the right spot for the platform, but GsDevKit_home also expects to download the appropriate pharo vm from get.pharo.org/vm30 ..

If Esteban is only going to make the vm available from dropbox I guess I'll have to hack something together for GsDevKit_home to be able to find the proper vm without using the Zeroconf stuff ... yuck...

Dale

On 10/8/16 3:43 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi all,

Esteban published a link to a VM for Pharo4 (3) and macOS 10.12 at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7684634/pharo40-sierra-stable.zip

It launches as expected with a tODE client, however, I get "Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found” in a tODE shell…

Welcome to tODE. 
- Enter `help` if you are having trouble getting started. 
- Enter `man gs gemtools` an intro to tODE for GemTools users. 
- Enter `man --all` for information on tODE commands.
- Enter `builtIns` to list descriptions of built-in commands.
- Enter `project list` to get started...
tode 1 > project list
Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found
tode 1 > 

Not sure what module it’s referring to. Will keep looking :)

Cheers,

J

On 27 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

GsDevKit_home uses the latest vm that is downloaded from get.pharo.org/vm30 and that's the one that Jupiter (or anyone else installing GsDevKit_home on sierra) will use once you've patched it ...

My mac is at home.

On linux, I'm using:

foos:pharo>pharo-vm/pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu May 15 18:29:30 CEST 2014 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: ed4a4f59208968a21d82fd2406f75c2c4de558b2 Date: 2014-05-15 18:23:04 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano [hidden email] Jenkins build #14826
Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/]

and I assume that it is the latest build for Pharo3.0?

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

btw… can you send me the vm version you use regularly ? (Smalltalk vm version). 

So I can just take the commit and patch it. 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

AFAIK the problem is between one or two methods. 

So I just need to change that. 

If it is more complicated, we will have problems :)

cheers, 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:37, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

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It turns out that there is a bug reported against Sierra about this particular problem (stoned running hot is a symptom of the bug) ... so we will be waiting for this bug to be fixed before continuing with our testing ...

Dale

We have started taking a look at Sierra internally and we have confirmed that the stoned process is running hot ... at this point in time we think it is likely to be a Sierra bug, but we haven't made it through our testing process so there may be additional problems to be resolved ...

So, until further notice, you shouldn't try to use GemStone on Sierra ...

In the future it would probably be a good idea to ping us before upgrading to a new Mac version to give us a chance to verify that GemStone is functioning correctly ...

Dale

On 10/08/2016 04:21 PM, Jupiter Jones wrote:

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I have reminded myself not to send messages before my coffee :) I needed to add both the GCI and SSL libs to Pharo and then all was good.

I believe Esteban is going to publish this version so hopefully in a couple of days we’ll be back on track.

Thanks again.

Cheers

J

On 9 Oct. 2016, at 10:03 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter,

The module that is missing is the gci library file that is used to connect to GemStone ... if you look in $GS_HOME/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins you will see the lib*<gs-version>*.dylib files that are needed ... Normally GsDevKit_home makes sure that the proper gci library files are in the right spot for the platform, but GsDevKit_home also expects to download the appropriate pharo vm from get.pharo.org/vm30 ..

If Esteban is only going to make the vm available from dropbox I guess I'll have to hack something together for GsDevKit_home to be able to find the proper vm without using the Zeroconf stuff ... yuck...

Dale

On 10/8/16 3:43 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi all,

Esteban published a link to a VM for Pharo4 (3) and macOS 10.12 at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7684634/pharo40-sierra-stable.zip

It launches as expected with a tODE client, however, I get "Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found” in a tODE shell…

Welcome to tODE. 
- Enter `help` if you are having trouble getting started. 
- Enter `man gs gemtools` an intro to tODE for GemTools users. 
- Enter `man --all` for information on tODE commands.
- Enter `builtIns` to list descriptions of built-in commands.
- Enter `project list` to get started...
tode 1 > project list
Topez ERROR: Error: External module not found
tode 1 > 

Not sure what module it’s referring to. Will keep looking :)

Cheers,

J

On 27 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 am, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

GsDevKit_home uses the latest vm that is downloaded from get.pharo.org/vm30 and that's the one that Jupiter (or anyone else installing GsDevKit_home on sierra) will use once you've patched it ...

My mac is at home.

On linux, I'm using:

foos:pharo>pharo-vm/pharo --version
3.9-7 #1 Thu May 15 18:29:30 CEST 2014 gcc 4.6.3 [Production ITHB VM]
NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 May 15 2014
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: ed4a4f59208968a21d82fd2406f75c2c4de558b2 Date: 2014-05-15 18:23:04 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano [hidden email] Jenkins build #14826
Linux pharo-linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:39:45 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
plugin path: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /export/foos1/users/dhenrich/dev/_home/shared/pharo/pharo-vm/]

and I assume that it is the latest build for Pharo3.0?

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

btw… can you send me the vm version you use regularly ? (Smalltalk vm version). 

So I can just take the commit and patch it. 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

AFAIK the problem is between one or two methods. 

So I just need to change that. 

If it is more complicated, we will have problems :)

cheers, 

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:37, Dale Henrichs <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks Esteban.

FWIW, tODE should run on Pharo4.0, I know that it loads (or has loaded in the past) and that most things seem to work, but I don't use it regularly, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems. Best is to get a pharo3.0 vm running there, though.

Dale

On 09/26/2016 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

Hi, 

I will provide a compatible VM… tomorrow or the day after :)

Esteban

On 26 Sep 2016, at 20:29, Dale Henrichs via Glass <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jupiter ... you might want to ask on the Pharo list if you haven't already ...

Dale

On 09/25/2016 03:29 PM, Jupiter Jones via Glass wrote:

Hi macOS users,

There is a problem with the Pharo VM and macOS sierra.

There is a VM that is working on macOS sierra with Pharo 5 [1], but haven’t found a VM that works with Pharo 3 as yet.

Has anyone else found this issue or found a fix?

Cheers,

Jupiter

[1] cog_macos32x86_pharo.cog.spur_201609231453.tar.gz

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