Kivy

> By "something like that" you mean what? More widgets? yaml-like DSL?
> Touch?
>
>
> Peter
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Hilaire
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     For the record, a friend told me about this
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy
>
>     Will it be cool to have something like that?
>
>     Hilaire
>
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>
> To do the same thing with Smalltalk, i think you have CogDroid or PharoDroid
> that embed a smalltalk vm in a native mobile app. When Bloc Widgets will be
> available, it should be easy to provide a "wonderful" mobile-specific widget
> layer.
>
> You can already do things like that with Bloc :
>
> <http://forum.world.st/file/n4835762/BwtMobile.png>
>
> (I'm using it as a simulator for mobile apps developed in Pharo)
>
> In another way, I'm working on a mobile development environment based on
> Pharo (part of my phd thesis). The goal is to use Pharo such as a modeling,
> development and validation environment in order to finally generate fully
> native mobile applications for several platforms.
>
> So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;)

>
> Regards,
> Glenn.
>
>
>
> -----
> Glenn Cavarlé
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>
>

> For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
> Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
> bern are working on new widgets.
> We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
>
> Stef
>
> Le 4/7/15 15:36, Hilaire a écrit :
>> For the record, a friend told me about this
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy
>>
>> Will it be cool to have something like that?
>>
>> Hilaire
>>
>
>
>

> Hannes Hirzel wrote
>> Is Bloc a user interface markup language?
>>
>>       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language
>>
>> Or a graphic framework like Morphic?
> Bloc is a graphical core framework, it provides the basics features to build
> UI/Animation frameworks on top of it. A markup language or a declarative
> syntaxe is not part of Bloc but can be a good idea to experiment when a
> first widget framework will be released.

> This is a point that particularly interests me, especially regarding
> declarative syntax.
>
>
> Hannes Hirzel wrote
>> I assume Android and iOS are part of them...
>>
>>> So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;)
>> 3 months?
> Yes, but unfortunately not in 3 month (for my part)...

>
> Regards,
> Glenn.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Glenn Cavarlé
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835775.html
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>
>

>
>>> For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
>>> Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
>>> bern are working on new widgets.
>>> We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
>>>
>>> Stef
>> Sure I know. The constituting parts does not make the whole however. I
>> mean a larger plan could help structuring the parts and give a focus.
>
> Hilaire
> we have a plan
>     a new graphics core
>     with new widgets
>     and event touch support and several windows.
>
> So I do not see why you say that we are not focused.
> Now you do not create a graphics core in 2 days. And if more people
> would help
> then we would go faster :)
> Alex is experimenting to port Roassal on Bloc and he is finding bugs
> that Alain is fixing.
>
> When I proposed topics to students this is also with this vision in mind.
>
> Stef
>
>

>>>> For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
>>>> Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
>>>> bern are working on new widgets.
>>>> We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>> Sure I know. The constituting parts does not make the whole however. I
>>> mean a larger plan could help structuring the parts and give a focus.
>> Hilaire
>> we have a plan
>>      a new graphics core
>>      with new widgets
>>      and event touch support and several windows.
>>
>> So I do not see why you say that we are not focused.
>> Now you do not create a graphics core in 2 days. And if more people
>> would help
>> then we would go faster :)
>> Alex is experimenting to port Roassal on Bloc and he is finding bugs
>> that Alain is fixing.
>>
>> When I proposed topics to students this is also with this vision in mind.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
> I didn't write Pharo is unfocused, I just think broader project like
> kivy can give structuring focus.

>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Glenn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Glenn Cavarlé
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835775.html
>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>
>

> On 7/5/15, Alain Plantec via Pharo-users <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> {no text body}
>
> In his thesis
>
>      Dynamic Language Embedding
>      With Homogeneous Tool Support
>
>       http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/phd/renggli-phd.pdf
>
> Lukas Renggli p 2 mentions internal DSLs.
>
> <citation>
> Internal languages make a creative use of the host lan-
> guage. They integrate seamlessly into the host lan-
> guage and tools, but their syntax and semantics is
> strictly constrained.
> </citation>
>
> Speaking of GUI construction in Smalltalk for the Widget part you
> might consider that to be a library or API. For making use of the
> widgets you may think of an internal DSL.
>
> In addition the widgets as such might be rendered differently for
> different platforms (in Smalltalk in one of the GUI frameworks, an
> example was Squeak Morphic and MVC ) or outside (e.g. Kivy).
>
> @Hilaire, what do you think is outstanding of special about Kivy?
>
> I think to illustrate this it might be a nice experiment to develop a
> 'hello world' equivalent for GUI construction and have it rendered in
> as many user interface languages as possible (Kivy, various types of
> Morphic, Bloc etc., but as PPTX and ODP)
>
> The domain to be covered should be simple as to avoid making the
> exercise complex.
>
>     Coming from a hello world type program means that at least a
> picture and some
>     interaction (mouse click and keyboard) has to be added.
>
>
> A model which fulfills this and at the same time is useful as is for
> certain contexts:
>
>     a sequence of slides (think 'simple Powerpoint slide show')
>     with the follwoing slide types
>           - one image and one caption
>           - on text field only
>     reaction to click event to advance to the next slide
>     reaction to cursor left and cursor right to navigate through the slides
>
> and then rendering of the "GUI hello world program" in various languages
>
>
>       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language
>
> Another application domain for this is a picture book.
>
>
> --Hannes
>