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dboeren

Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

Sorry to have to introduce myself to the community this way :)

I downloaded Pharo 3.0 recently for OSX and have been working on learning it and writing some simple programs to get accustomed to the language and environment.

Now it's doing something odd and I don't know what's wrong or how to fix it.

When I left-click anywhere in Pharo it brings up the World menu, as if I had right-clicked instead. I'm pretty sure it can't be a problem with my trackpad or O/S because it works fine in other apps.

The really odd part is that if I select "System Browser" off the World menu the new browser window response to mouse clicks normally! So, while my old browser, workspace, transcript, and main window all treat left-clicks as right-clicks, the new window is fine.

Does anyone know what could be causing this issue and more importantly how to fix it? I've tried rebooting my laptop, and of course restarting Pharo numerous times. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

Thanks!

jfabry

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

Hi,

to clarify: it’s normal that left-clicking outside of any active window (i.e. in the gray background) brings up the world menu.

However, also getting the world menu on left-clicks inside browsers is not. If this is happening it is a bug that should be treated and it would be best that you explain how you get/got to that situation.

greetings,

> On Dec 9, 2014, at 17:13, dboeren <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Sorry to have to introduce myself to the community this way :)
>
> I downloaded Pharo 3.0 recently for OSX and have been working on learning it
> and writing some simple programs to get accustomed to the language and
> environment.
>
> Now it's doing something odd and I don't know what's wrong or how to fix it.
>
> When I left-click anywhere in Pharo it brings up the World menu, as if I had
> right-clicked instead. I'm pretty sure it can't be a problem with my
> trackpad or O/S because it works fine in other apps.
>
> The really odd part is that if I select "System Browser" off the World menu
> the new browser window response to mouse clicks normally! So, while my old
> browser, workspace, transcript, and main window all treat left-clicks as
> right-clicks, the new window is fine.
>
> Does anyone know what could be causing this issue and more importantly how
> to fix it? I've tried rebooting my laptop, and of course restarting Pharo
> numerous times. Doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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>
>

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dboeren

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

Thanks for your reply, Johan.

I'm not sure what caused this. As best I recall, it was working last night when I went to bed and today it is not.

The only unusual thing I recall doing late last night was importing the XMLSupport library. I haven't used it yet, this is just preparation for future tasks. Of course I also worked on some code and ran tests, but this to me is fairly normal and unlikely to cause problems. The program I'm working on fetches HTML or JSON data from a url, parses it with NeoJSON (or manually in the case of HTML), and produces a text file in a tab-delimited format based on the parsed data. Nothing I have done since I first installed Pharo has anything to do with the GUI system and the only packages I've installed are NeoJSON, NeoCSV, and XMLSupport.

I have three windows open. A workspace, a transcript and a browser. I tend to keep the same windows up all the time so all three are long-lived windows if that seems relevant.

If I create a new window of any of the three types, they seem to behave normally. Based on your comment that a right-click in the background *should* bring up the World menu, it sounds like the bug must be something to do with which window receives and processes the click event. If there is any diagnostic I can run to help gather more data just let me know and I will be glad to run it and post the results.

In the meantime, is there a way (perhaps through keyboard shortcuts or something) to go through the list of open windows, select them, and close them? Or even to do a a "close all windows"? I ask because it seems like new windows behave correctly so maybe if I can kill off the misbehaving ones that will solve the issue. I can also open a new Workspace and paste in any code to collect info or close the windows.

Or finally, if we cannot find a way to recover things properly then I suppose I could learn how to file out my code and start again with a fresh installation, redoing the installs of the couple of libraries I've added.

dboeren

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0 test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the next step of my program :)

stepharo

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

In reply to this post by dboeren

Welcome :)

Le 9/12/14 12:13, dboeren a écrit :

> Sorry to have to introduce myself to the community this way :)
>
> I downloaded Pharo 3.0 recently for OSX and have been working on learning it
> and writing some simple programs to get accustomed to the language and
> environment.
>
> Now it's doing something odd and I don't know what's wrong or how to fix it.
>
> When I left-click anywhere in Pharo it brings up the World menu, as if I had
> right-clicked instead. I'm pretty sure it can't be a problem with my
> trackpad or O/S because it works fine in other apps.
>
> The really odd part is that if I select "System Browser" off the World menu
> the new browser window response to mouse clicks normally! So, while my old
> browser, workspace, transcript, and main window all treat left-clicks as
> right-clicks, the new window is fine.
>
> Does anyone know what could be causing this issue and more importantly how
> to fix it? I've tried rebooting my laptop, and of course restarting Pharo
> numerous times. Doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Left-mouse-button-not-working-in-Pharo-3-0-tp4795107.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

stepharo

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

In reply to this post by dboeren

This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

> OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
> World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.
>
> This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
> system is working correctly again.
>
> But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.
>
> Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
> is only 70.2MB.
>
> Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
> 1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
> test"
> 2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
> 3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
> 4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
> to approximately the same layout I had before
> 5. Quit and save the new image
>
> So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
> really bizarre...
>
> If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
> copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
> at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
> next step of my program :)
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Left-mouse-button-not-working-in-Pharo-3-0-tp4795107p4795126.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?

In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:

This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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dboeren

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:

The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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EstebanLM

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

can you share a screenshot of your processes? (World Menu/Tools/Process Browsers)

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 02:58, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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kilon.alios

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

just upload your image file so we can take a look, one of the great things about pharo ;) you can also upload the whole pharo folder

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

can you share a screenshot of your processes? (World Menu/Tools/Process Browsers)

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 02:58, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

--
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dboeren

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

OK, here is both the screenshot of the process browser and also the image file... I am interested to see what you can find out, thanks!

Pharo3.0.image

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:

just upload your image file so we can take a look, one of the great things about pharo ;) you can also upload the whole pharo folder

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
can you share a screenshot of your processes? (World Menu/Tools/Process Browsers)

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 02:58, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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EstebanLM

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

well… I cannot find what happened :P

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 15:51, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, here is both the screenshot of the process browser and also the image file... I am interested to see what you can find out, thanks!

Pharo3.0.image

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
just upload your image file so we can take a look, one of the great things about pharo ;) you can also upload the whole pharo folder

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
can you share a screenshot of your processes? (World Menu/Tools/Process Browsers)

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 02:58, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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dboeren

Re: Left mouse button not working in Pharo 3.0

That's OK, thanks for taking a look - I really appreciate it. At least I can work again and if the same issue happens I know now how to kill the bad windows and I will take better notes on exactly what I was doing just prior to the problem. Or, if it never happens again that would be fine too :)

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

well… I cannot find what happened :P

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 15:51, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

OK, here is both the screenshot of the process browser and also the image file... I am interested to see what you can find out, thanks!

Pharo3.0.image

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
just upload your image file so we can take a look, one of the great things about pharo ;) you can also upload the whole pharo folder

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
can you share a screenshot of your processes? (World Menu/Tools/Process Browsers)

Esteban

On 10 Dec 2014, at 02:58, David Boeren <[hidden email]> wrote:

Didn't seem to have any effect. The broken windows are still there, and the file size is still 99.5MB.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]> wrote:
The size could have been the Monticello cache for all the stuff you loaded?
In the big image try ImageCleaner new cleanUpForRelease, then save it and compare size.

CHeers,

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is indeed quite strange.

Le 9/12/14 14:31, dboeren a écrit :

OK, some progress. I made a copy of Pharo to experiment with and found
World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits.

This destroyed the three rogue windows and at least to a first glance the
system is working correctly again.

But, I also still have the original copy which is still malfunctioning.

Ready for more weird? The broken copy of Pharo is 99.5MB. The working copy
is only 70.2MB.

Here is the full list of what I did to create the working copy:
1. Copy/paste the Pharo3.0 file in OSX Finder, rename it to "Pharo 3.0
test"
2. Open Pharo 3.0 Test
3. World->Windows->DeleteAllWindowsDiscardingEdits
4. Recreate my 3 windows (Workspace, Transcript, Browser) and resize them
to approximately the same layout I had before
5. Quit and save the new image

So whatever was wrong with those three windows was taking up 29.3MB? That's
really bizarre...

If someone knows how to debug this sort of thing I can upload my corrupted
copy to you and perhaps that would be the best way to shed some light, but
at least I seem to have a working environment again so I can proceed on the
next step of my program :)

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