Linux and Windows 3.0 differences
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I just returned from a one on one Smalltalk introduction I gave tonight. Can you please check for differences in the current Pharo3.0 one-click-images for Windows and Linux? We had issues tonight that make it quite understandable that some beginners might stop looking at Smalltalk after a while. Date fromString: method contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation. The behavior of icons in the Class hierarchy are inconsitent on Ubuntu. Where as entering a class comment changes the icons from an exclamation mark to the green class icon on windows; in Ubuntu the super classes of the class remain exclamation marks even hough they include comments. The user thought he did something wrong,... or something is forbidden in general.... the meaning of the icons does not to seem self-explainatory Pharo 4.0 the mouse buttons are switched,... that is annoying copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did not work either. But now also something positive. The user tried to get started in Squeak last week and spent hours to find out how things work and how to install stuff. Tonight we setup pharo-launcher and two images.... 5 minutes later: "Wow,... that was fast! And we can start now?" :-D By the way! Windows 8 pharo-launcher? Is there anything special to it? I was not able to get it going tonight. Cheers! Sebastian |
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> On 04 Mar 2015, at 08:45, Sebastian Heidbrink <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi! > > I just returned from a one on one Smalltalk introduction I gave tonight. > > Can you please check for differences in the current Pharo3.0 one-click-images for Windows and Linux? > > We had issues tonight that make it quite understandable that some beginners might stop looking at Smalltalk after a while. > > Date fromString: method > contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation. > Wow… that means that the sources file is corrupt. > The behavior of icons in the Class hierarchy are inconsitent on Ubuntu. > Where as entering a class comment changes the icons from an exclamation mark to the green class icon on windows; in Ubuntu the super classes of the class remain exclamation marks even hough they include comments. > The user thought he did something wrong,... or something is forbidden in general.... the meaning of the icons does not to seem self-explainatory > This, too, is related to .changes: the class comment is stored there. (ceterum censeo: we need to kill .sources and .changes…) > Pharo 4.0 the mouse buttons are switched,... that is annoying > copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did not work either. > > But now also something positive. > The user tried to get started in Squeak last week and spent hours to find out how things work and how to install stuff. > Tonight we setup pharo-launcher and two images.... 5 minutes later: "Wow,... that was fast! And we can start now?" > :-D > > By the way! Windows 8 pharo-launcher? Is there anything special to it? I was not able to get it going tonight. > > Cheers! > Sebastian > > |
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Excerpts from Marcus Denker's message of 2015-03-04 09:13:45 +0100:
> > Date fromString: method > > contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation. > Wow… that means that the sources file is corrupt. actually, i thought the source file was simply missing. pharo kept telling me every time i start that it can't find the V3 sources, until i downloaded them manually and put them in the right place. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin Bähr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/ |
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Hi Marcus,
he installed the environment in front of my eyes via the Ubuntu ppa described on the website tonight. Sebastian On 2015-03-04 12:13 AM, Marcus Denker
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On 04 Mar 2015, at 08:45, Sebastian Heidbrink [hidden email] wrote: Hi! I just returned from a one on one Smalltalk introduction I gave tonight. Can you please check for differences in the current Pharo3.0 one-click-images for Windows and Linux? We had issues tonight that make it quite understandable that some beginners might stop looking at Smalltalk after a while. Date fromString: method contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation.Wow… that means that the sources file is corrupt.The behavior of icons in the Class hierarchy are inconsitent on Ubuntu.Where as entering a class comment changes the icons from an exclamation mark to the green class icon on windows; in Ubuntu the super classes of the class remain exclamation marks even hough they include comments. The user thought he did something wrong,... or something is forbidden in general.... the meaning of the icons does not to seem self-explainatoryThis, too, is related to .changes: the class comment is stored there. (ceterum censeo: we need to kill .sources and .changes…)Pharo 4.0 the mouse buttons are switched,... that is annoying copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did not work either. But now also something positive. The user tried to get started in Squeak last week and spent hours to find out how things work and how to install stuff. Tonight we setup pharo-launcher and two images.... 5 minutes later: "Wow,... that was fast! And we can start now?" :-D By the way! Windows 8 pharo-launcher? Is there anything special to it? I was not able to get it going tonight. Cheers! Sebastian |
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ooops.
and created a pharo 3.0 and 4.0 image via the launcher Sebastian On 2015-03-04 12:13 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> On 04 Mar 2015, at 08:45, Sebastian Heidbrink <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I just returned from a one on one Smalltalk introduction I gave tonight. >> >> Can you please check for differences in the current Pharo3.0 one-click-images for Windows and Linux? >> >> We had issues tonight that make it quite understandable that some beginners might stop looking at Smalltalk after a while. >> >> Date fromString: method >> contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation. >> > Wow… that means that the sources file is corrupt. > >> The behavior of icons in the Class hierarchy are inconsitent on Ubuntu. >> Where as entering a class comment changes the icons from an exclamation mark to the green class icon on windows; in Ubuntu the super classes of the class remain exclamation marks even hough they include comments. >> The user thought he did something wrong,... or something is forbidden in general.... the meaning of the icons does not to seem self-explainatory >> > This, too, is related to .changes: the class comment is stored there. > > (ceterum censeo: we need to kill .sources and .changes…) > >> Pharo 4.0 the mouse buttons are switched,... that is annoying >> copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did not work either. >> >> But now also something positive. >> The user tried to get started in Squeak last week and spent hours to find out how things work and how to install stuff. >> Tonight we setup pharo-launcher and two images.... 5 minutes later: "Wow,... that was fast! And we can start now?" >> :-D >> >> By the way! Windows 8 pharo-launcher? Is there anything special to it? I was not able to get it going tonight. >> >> Cheers! >> Sebastian >> >> > > |
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Cool!! Could you give more details about this? #fromString: contains no VM primitives and so should be bit identical on all platforms. IIRC this is a well-known problem with no solution yet :/ Yes, a /lot/ of work has gone into cleaning, simplifying, redesigning. Thanks for the encouragement :)
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sebastian Heidbrink-2 wrote >> I just returned from a one on one Smalltalk introduction I gave tonight. > > Cool!! > > > Sebastian Heidbrink-2 wrote >> Date fromString: method >> contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even >> include an implementation. > > Could you give more details about this? #fromString: contains no VM > primitives and so should be bit identical on all platforms. > > > Sebastian Heidbrink-2 wrote >> copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did >> not work either. Beware, sometimes it is a Chrome problem, not a Pharo one. > > IIRC this is a well-known problem with no solution yet :/ > > > Sebastian Heidbrink-2 wrote >> Tonight we setup pharo-launcher and two images.... 5 minutes later: >> "Wow,... that was fast! And we can start now?" >> :-D > > Yes, a /lot/ of work has gone into cleaning, simplifying, redesigning. > Thanks for the encouragement :) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Linux-and-Windows-3-0-differences-tp4809369p4809414.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- --- Philippe Back Visible Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:[hidden email] | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller |
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"copy&paste from Chrome to Pharo 4.0 workspace/Playground on Ubuntu did not work either." As also an issue if you do it from MS Office, MS Outlook .. et als. |
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Hello Martin,
if you're using the ubuntu ppa, the sources file is *NOT* required by the launcher (it works without it). You can install the source by executing "apt-get install pharo-sources-files" Kind regards, Markus On 04.03.2015 09:26, Martin Bähr wrote: > Excerpts from Marcus Denker's message of 2015-03-04 09:13:45 +0100: >>> Date fromString: method >>> contains a method comment on Windows and on Ubuntu it doesn't even include an implementation. >> Wow… that means that the sources file is corrupt. > actually, i thought the source file was simply missing. > pharo kept telling me every time i start that it can't find the V3 sources, until > i downloaded them manually and put them in the right place. > > greetings, martin. > |
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