tag:forum.world.st,2006:forum-3021869Nabble - Lively Kernel2024-03-28T16:45:46Ztag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5125591Smalltalk Zoo2020-12-24T00:40:13Z2020-12-24T00:40:13ZJim Tittsler
I was pleased to see the Smalltalk Zoo (built around the Lively Kernel)
<br/>pop up on the Computer History Museum Blog:
<br/><br/><<a href="https://computerhistory.org/blog/introducing-the-smalltalk-zoo-48-years-of-smalltalk-history-at-chm/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://computerhistory.org/blog/introducing-the-smalltalk-zoo-48-years-of-smalltalk-history-at-chm/</a>>
<br/> <<a href="https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://smalltalkzoo.thechm.org/</a>>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5094653Lisk2019-02-02T13:01:38Z2019-02-02T13:01:38ZWolf29
Was ist Lisk? Wer wird es erzählen??
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5089216(resolved) Not able to load world because of certificate expiration date issue2018-11-21T00:59:31Z2018-11-29T00:22:45Zksi
Hallo everyone,
<br/>I am not able to load my world within <a href="https://lively-next.org/worlds/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://lively-next.org/worlds/</a><br/>probably because of an issue with expired certificates - please see the
<br/>attachments which should provide more context...
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<br/>I hope that someone has an Idea how to resolve this issue :)
<br/><br/>Keep on doing the good work on lively!
<br/><br/>Cheers
<br/>Kiril
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5074397[CfP] ICOOOLPS 20182018-04-19T00:46:49Z2018-04-19T00:46:49Ztimfelgentreff
Call for Papers: ICOOOLPS'18
<br/>============================
<br/><br/>13th Workshop on Implementation, Compilation, Optimization of Object- Oriented
<br/>Languages, Programs and Systems
<br/><br/>Co-located with ECOOP 2018
<br/>held Mon 16 - Sun 22 July in Amsterdam, Netherlands
<br/><br/>Twitter: @ICOOOLPS
<br/>URL: <a href="https://conf.researchr.org/track/ecoop-issta-2018/ICOOOLPS-2018-papers" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://conf.researchr.org/track/ecoop-issta-2018/ICOOOLPS-2018-papers</a><br/><br/>The ICOOOLPS workshop series brings together researchers and practitioners
<br/>working in the field of language implementation and optimization. The goal of
<br/>the workshop is to discuss emerging problems and research directions as well as
<br/>new solutions to classic performance challenges.
<br/><br/>The topics of interest for the workshop include techniques for the
<br/>implementation and optimization of a wide range of languages including but not
<br/>limited to object-oriented ones. Furthermore, meta-compilation techniques or
<br/>language-agnostic approaches are welcome, too.
<br/><br/>### Topics of Interest
<br/><br/>A non-exclusive list of topics of interest for this workshop is:
<br/><br/>- Implementation and optimization of fundamental languages features (from
<br/> automatic memory management to zero-overhead metaprogramming)
<br/>- Runtime systems technology (libraries, virtual machines)
<br/>- Static, adaptive, and speculative optimizations and compiler techniques
<br/>- Meta-compilation techniques and language-agnostic approaches for the efficient
<br/> implementation of languages
<br/>- Compilers (intermediate representations, offline and online optimizations,…)
<br/>- Empirical studies on language usage, benchmark design, and benchmarking
<br/> methodology
<br/>- Resource-sensitive systems (real-time, low power, mobile, cloud)
<br/>- Studies on design choices and tradeoffs (dynamic vs. static compilation,
<br/> heuristics vs. programmer input,…)
<br/>- Tooling support, debuggability and observability of languages as well as their
<br/> implementations
<br/><br/>### Workshop Format and Submissions
<br/><br/>This workshop welcomes the presentation and discussion of new ideas and emerging
<br/>problems that give a chance for interaction and exchange. More mature work is
<br/>welcome as part of a mini-conference format, too. We aim to interleave
<br/>interactive brainstorming and demonstration sessions between the formal
<br/>presentations to foster an active exchange of ideas. The workshop papers will be
<br/>published in ACM DL or an open archive (to be confirmed). Papers are to be
<br/>submitted using the sigplanconf LaTeX template
<br/>(<a href="http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/LaTeXClassFile/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/LaTeXClassFile/</a>).
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<br/><br/> Submissions: 18 May 2018
<br/> Author Notification: 8 June 2018
<br/><br/>### Program Committee
<br/><br/>The program committee consists of the organizers and the following reviewers:
<br/><br/> Nada Amin, University of Cambridge
<br/> Clément Béra, RMOD - INRIA Lille Nord Europe
<br/> Shigeru Chiba, University of Tokyo
<br/> Benoit Daloze, JKU Linz
<br/> Görel Hedin, Lund University
<br/> Eric Jul, University of Oslo
<br/> Stefan Marr, University of Kent
<br/> Eliot Miranda, Cadence Design Systems
<br/> Sarah Mount, King's College London
<br/> Tobias Pape, Hasso Plattner Institute
<br/> Jennifer Sartor, Vrije Universiteit Brussel + University Ghent
<br/><br/>### Workshop Organizers
<br/><br/> Tim Felgentreff, Oracle Labs Potsdam
<br/> Olivier Zendra, INRIA / LORIA
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4890690Future of Lively?2016-04-18T09:39:16Z2016-04-18T09:39:16ZDave Crossland
<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Hi<div><br></div><div>This project seems to have halted. </div><div><br></div><div>Why did that happen? </div><div><br></div><div>Where did the Lively developers move on to?</div><div><br></div><div>What, if any, is the future of Lively? <br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>Dave</div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5065728[CfP] ICOOOLPS 20182018-02-05T02:28:22Z2018-02-05T02:28:22Ztimfelgentreff
Call for Papers: ICOOOLPS'18
<br/>============================
<br/><br/>13th Workshop on Implementation, Compilation, Optimization of Object- Oriented
<br/>Languages, Programs and Systems
<br/><br/>Co-located with ECOOP 2018
<br/>held Mon 16 - Sun 22 July in Amsterdam, Netherlands
<br/><br/>Twitter: @ICOOOLPS
<br/>URL: <a href="https://conf.researchr.org/track/ecoop-issta-2018/ICOOOLPS-2018-papers" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://conf.researchr.org/track/ecoop-issta-2018/ICOOOLPS-2018-papers</a><br/><br/>The ICOOOLPS workshop series brings together researchers and practitioners
<br/>working in the field of language implementation and optimization. The goal of
<br/>the workshop is to discuss emerging problems and research directions as well as
<br/>new solutions to classic performance challenges.
<br/><br/>The topics of interest for the workshop include techniques for the
<br/>implementation and optimization of a wide range of languages including but not
<br/>limited to object-oriented ones. Furthermore, meta-compilation techniques or
<br/>language-agnostic approaches are welcome, too.
<br/><br/>### Topics of Interest
<br/><br/>A non-exclusive list of topics of interest for this workshop is:
<br/><br/>- Implementation and optimization of fundamental languages features (from
<br/> automatic memory management to zero-overhead metaprogramming)
<br/>- Runtime systems technology (libraries, virtual machines)
<br/>- Static, adaptive, and speculative optimizations and compiler techniques
<br/>- Meta-compilation techniques and language-agnostic approaches for the efficient
<br/> implementation of languages
<br/>- Compilers (intermediate representations, offline and online optimizations,…)
<br/>- Empirical studies on language usage, benchmark design, and benchmarking
<br/> methodology
<br/>- Resource-sensitive systems (real-time, low power, mobile, cloud)
<br/>- Studies on design choices and tradeoffs (dynamic vs. static compilation,
<br/> heuristics vs. programmer input,…)
<br/>- Tooling support, debuggability and observability of languages as well as their
<br/> implementations
<br/><br/>### Workshop Format and Submissions
<br/><br/>This workshop welcomes the presentation and discussion of new ideas and emerging
<br/>problems that give a chance for interaction and exchange. More mature work is
<br/>welcome as part of a mini-conference format, too. We aim to interleave
<br/>interactive brainstorming and demonstration sessions between the formal
<br/>presentations to foster an active exchange of ideas. The workshop papers will be
<br/>published in ACM DL or an open archive (to be confirmed). Papers are to be
<br/>submitted using the sigplanconf LaTeX template
<br/>(<a href="http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/LaTeXClassFile/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/LaTeXClassFile/</a>).
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<br/><a href="https://easychair.org/conferences/submission_show_all.cgi?a=17114062" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://easychair.org/conferences/submission_show_all.cgi?a=17114062</a><br/><br/>### Important Dates
<br/><br/> Submissions: 18 May 2018
<br/> Author Notification: 8 June 2018
<br/><br/>### Program Committee
<br/><br/>The program committee consists of the organizers and the following reviewers:
<br/><br/> Nada Amin, University of Cambridge
<br/> Clément Béra, RMOD - INRIA Lille Nord Europe
<br/> Shigeru Chiba, University of Tokyo
<br/> Benoit Daloze, JKU Linz
<br/> Görel Hedin, Lund University
<br/> Eric Jul, University of Oslo
<br/> Stefan Marr, University of Kent
<br/> Eliot Miranda, Cadence Design Systems
<br/> Sarah Mount, King's College London
<br/> Tobias Pape, Hasso Plattner Institute
<br/> Jennifer Sartor, Vrije Universiteit Brussel + University Ghent
<br/><br/>### Workshop Organizers
<br/><br/> Tim Felgentreff, Oracle Labs Potsdam
<br/> Olivier Zendra, INRIA / LORIA
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-5005830Problems with lively-2-webpage example of nodetalk2017-11-01T13:19:22Z2017-11-01T13:19:22Zksi
Hi everyone,
<br/>I did the steps described on <a href="https://nodetalk.io/worlds/lively-2-webpage" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://nodetalk.io/worlds/lively-2-webpage</a><br/>example but unfortunately I was
<br/>not able to make it work. I received instead *Failed to load resource: the
<br/>server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found*) within the Chrome
<br/>console.
<br/><br/>Any Ideas why this might have gone wrong?
<br/><br/>Cheers
<br/>Kiril
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4911600got error2016-08-17T12:04:12Z2016-08-17T12:04:12ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, please note I got this error message<div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0);font-family:Arial,times;font-size:medium">An error occurred. If the world does not load you can </span><br style="color:rgb(255,0,0);font-family:Arial,times;font-size:medium"><a href="https://lively-web.org/world-versions.html?world-path=welcome.html" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,times;font-size:medium;color:red;font-weight:bold" rel="nofollow" link="external">revert welcome.html by clicking here</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>In the first attempt of loading</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://lively-web.org/welcome.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://lively-web.org/welcome.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4908005later / stable Lively Kernel version that can run on either canvas or SVG (no DOM, no code for Morphic/DOM pairing)?2016-07-26T04:40:12Z2016-07-26T04:40:12ZDavide Della Casa
Hello,
<br/><br/>has anyone got a link to the latest Lively Kernel version that can run on either canvas or SVG?
<br/><br/>Specifically, I’m looking for a version that doesn’t manage DOM, and hence has no code for pairing Morphic with the DOM...
<br/><br/>For sure there are papers/demos of a 2008 version that ran on SVG, I was wondering if anybody as a link to a working version...
<br/><br/>Cheers!
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4905640Is Lively-Kernel still "lively"?2016-07-08T11:59:08Z2016-07-08T11:59:08ZJohn Chludzinski-2
Looked at the Wikipedia article on Lively Kernel and noticed that the
<br/>last stable release was: April 7, 2012.
<br/><br/>Went to GitHub and saw some commits as late as 19 days ago but mainly
<br/>fixes.
<br/><br/>Is this project "lively"?
<br/><br/>---John
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4900579what is the LK server'side made of?2016-06-12T17:54:40Z2016-06-12T17:54:40ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi, I paid litte attention to the connected-disconnected</div><div> status seen in the world page until I lauched LK from </div><div>an intranet network. I would like to see some page </div><div>showing the nature and implementation of what is </div><div>the LK world connected to. Is it bound to the web </div><div>server, a servlet, Node, ir a server-side script?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4897144style editor2016-05-24T09:56:14Z2016-05-24T09:56:14ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">This message is just to recognize the nice work around the morph style editor, I just discovered it after some long hours trying to find the actual code to make visual objects resize and stretch according manual manipulation of the widget. Congratulations!<div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4895188tutorial?2016-05-16T11:32:13Z2016-05-16T11:32:13ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, my first exposure to LK was this old, however very enlightening tutorial:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-kernel/trunk/source/tutorial/index.htm" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-kernel/trunk/source/tutorial/index.htm</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>What happened with the Stock Widget demo?</div><div><br></div><div>I may accept that new releases may deprecated it. Nonetheess it was very cool and I think that can be restored, probably under the projects page, with a clear warning that may contain old code...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4893692finding clasess2016-05-05T12:05:39Z2016-05-05T12:05:39ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, I am sorry if I am bothering you all every time I show my self education baby steps.<div><br></div><div>How a new class is composed in LK, the Smalltalk way?</div><div>How can I find all classes?</div><div><br></div><div>Can i file-in - file-out a class?</div><div><br></div><div>I hope there is some hot-to or wiki document showing this, thanks in advance, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4893347LK version2016-05-02T11:24:49Z2016-05-02T11:24:49ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, <div><br></div><div>I assume as I am able to save a world A under a different name, B, , code added to B is not back ported to A automatically.</div><div><br></div><div>So if the above assumption, then worlds exhibited in the projects page do not share the same code, in the same way Smalltalk images may be different by the means of all objects inside.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I wrong?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Carlos</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4891655projects page2016-04-23T11:56:15Z2016-04-23T11:56:15ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, I amlearning from the recent digest message about the existence of the projects page, I am glad to learn that page ws constructed.<div><br></div><div>Is there any document showing the LK roadmp, whay would be the next fatures coming? </div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4891798amazed with contents on projects page2016-04-24T16:51:48Z2016-04-24T16:51:48ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, please see this as a one way message, I really do not expect any reply.<div><br></div><div>After lloking to the Smalltalk to JavaScript compiler, then the Tick Toc demo (video) I beleve LK is very close to have some kind of full etoys port.</div><div><br></div><div>While etoys us per se a sucessful Squeak aplication, I believe that porting eToys to LK makes sente, not in the intetion to teach programming to children, just to have, at leat scriptable morphs, tiles and the object viewer.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4891088LK main news feed?2016-04-20T17:34:12Z2016-04-20T17:34:12ZCarlos Crosetti
<div dir="ltr">Hi, I learned from a recent post reply that the LM project has moved to GitHub and now I ask if this newsfeed is still the main one or if there is some other news source?<div><br></div><div>By the way, I also noticed changes ihe welcome.htlm page, like the top level menu, maybe ther was a cleanup over all.</div><div><br></div><div>I was unable to find the stocks demo, what are the step to kick it off?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Carlos</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4891068Patents/Licensing?2016-04-20T14:03:56Z2016-04-20T14:03:56ZDave Crossland
<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Hi<div><br></div><div>It seems that Lively was initially published under the GPL, but it now under MIT. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm not trying to start a flamewar, but I'm curious what specific motivations were for this change, and when it happened. </div><div><br></div><div>I also wonder if, since MIT was chosen and not Apache, there are any known patents on things in Lively to be aware of? <br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>Dave</div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4890738Lively GIT home2016-04-18T18:50:50Z2016-04-18T18:50:50Zccrosetti
<p>Hi, what is the Liverly Kernel GitHub home?</p>
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<p>Thanks, Carlos</p>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4884130Workshop on Context-oriented Programming (COP) 2016 at ECOOP | Call for Papers2016-03-11T15:56:57Z2016-03-11T15:56:57ZRobert Hirschfeld-4
Call for Papers
<br/><br/>*** Workshop on Context-oriented Programming (COP) 2016 ***
<br/><br/>July 19 (Tue), 2016
<br/>Co-located with ECOOP 2016 in Rome
<br/><br/><a href="http://2016.ecoop.org/track/COP-2016" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://2016.ecoop.org/track/COP-2016</a><br/><br/>=== Introduction ===
<br/><br/>Context information plays an increasingly important role in our information-centric world. Software systems must adapt to changing contexts over time, and must change even while they are running. Unfortunately, mainstream programming languages and development environments do not support this kind of dynamic change very well, leading developers to implementing complex designs to anticipate various dimensions of variability.
<br/><br/>Context-oriented Programming (COP) directly supports variability depending on a wide range of dynamic attributes. In effect, it should be possible to dispatch run-time behavior on any property of the execution context. By now, several researchers have been working on notions approaching that idea, and implementations ranging from first prototypes to mature platform extensions used in commercial deployments have illustrated how multidimensional dispatch can indeed be supported effectively to achieve expressive run-time variation in behavior.
<br/><br/>=== Topics ===
<br/><br/>The previous editions of this workshop (ECOOP 2009–2015) have shown to be well-received. The goal of the 8th Workshop on Context-oriented Programming (COP-16) is to further establish context orientation as a common thread to language design, application development, and system support. Topics of interest include but are not limited to:
<br/><br/>- Interesting application domains and scenarios
<br/><br/>- Programming language abstractions for Context-oriented Programming (e.g. dynamic scoping, roles, traits, prototype-based extensions)
<br/><br/>- Theoretical foundations for Context-oriented Programming (e.g. semantics, type systems)
<br/><br/>- Configuration languages (e.g. feature description interpreters, transformational approaches)
<br/><br/>- Interaction between non-functional programming concerns and Context-oriented Programming (e.g. security, persistence, concurrency, distribution).
<br/><br/>- Interaction with other paradigms: event-based and reactive programming, object-oriented programming.
<br/><br/>- Modularization approaches for Context-oriented Programming (e.g. aspects, modules, layers, plugins).
<br/><br/>- Guidelines to include Context-oriented Programming in programs (e.g. best practices, patterns)
<br/><br/>- Runtime support for Context-oriented Programming (e.g. reflection, dynamic binding)
<br/><br/>- Implementation issues such as optimization, VM support, JIT compilation etc. for Context-oriented Programming
<br/><br/>- Tool support (e.g. design tools, IDEs, debuggers).
<br/><br/>=== Submissions ===
<br/><br/>COP invites submissions of high-quality papers reporting original research, or describing innovative contributions to, or experience with Context-oriented Programming, its implementation, and application. Papers that depart significantly from established ideas and practices are particularly welcome.
<br/><br/>Submissions must not have been published previously and must not be under review for any another refereed event or publication.
<br/><br/>The program committee will evaluate each contributed paper based on its relevance, significance, clarity, and originality. Accepted papers will be published in the ACM Digital Library.
<br/><br/>Papers are to be submitted via EasyChair (<a href="https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=cop2016" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=cop2016</a>). Papers must be written in English, be provided as PDF documents, and follow the ACM SIGPLAN Conference Format (10 point font, Times New Roman font family, numeric citation style, <a href="http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/Author/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/Author/</a>). They should not exceed 6 pages.
<br/><br/>=== Important dates ===
<br/><br/>Submissions: April 15, 2016
<br/>Notifications: May 13, 2016
<br/>COP-16: July 19, 2016
<br/><br/>=== Organizers ===
<br/><br/>Guido Salvaneschi, Technische Universität Darmstadt, Germany
<br/>Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso Plattner Institute, University of Potsdam, Germany
<br/>Atsushi Igarashi, Kyoto University, Japan
<br/>Hidehiko Masuhara, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Japan
<br/><br/>=== Program committee ===
<br/><br/>Tomoyuki Aotani, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Japan
<br/>Dave Clarke, Uppsala University, Sweden and KU Leuven, Belgium
<br/>Rocco De Nicola, IMT Institute for Advanced Studies Lucca, Italy
<br/>Coen De Roover, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium
<br/>Pierpaolo Degano, University of Pisa, Italy
<br/>Gorel Hedin, Lund University, Sweden
<br/>Tetsuo Kamina, Ritsumeikan University, Japan
<br/>Jens Lincke, Hasso Plattner Institute, University of Potsdam, Germany
<br/>Harold Ossher, IBM, United States
<br/>Mario Südholt - École des Mines de Nantes, France
<br/>Didier Verna, EPITA / LRDE, France
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4883776Programming Experience 2016 (PX/16) Workshop at ECOOP | Call for Papers2016-03-10T04:04:46Z2016-03-10T04:04:46ZRobert Hirschfeld-4
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<br/><br/>*** Programming Experience 2016 (PX/16) Workshop ***
<br/><br/>July 18 (Mon), 2016
<br/>Co-located with ECOOP 2016 in Rome
<br/><br/>2016.ecoop.org/track/PX-2016
<br/>programming-experience.org/px16
<br/><br/>=== Abstract ===
<br/><br/>Imagine a software development task. Some sort of requirements and specification including performance goals and perhaps a platform and programming language. A group of developers head into a vast workroom.
<br/><br/><crossfade to developers exiting the vast workroom>
<br/><br/>The Programming Experience Workshop is about what happens in that room when one or a couple of programmers sit down in front of computers and produce code, especially when it's exploratory programming. Do they create text that is transformed into running behavior (the old way), or do they operate on behavior directly ("liveness"); are they exploring the live domain to understand the true nature of the requirements; are they like authors creating new worlds; does visualization matter; is the experience immediate, immersive, vivid and continuous; do fluency, literacy, and learning matter; do they build tools, meta-tools; are they creating languages to express new concepts quickly and easily; and curiously, is joy relevant to the experience?
<br/><br/>Correctness, performance, standard tools, foundations, and text-as-program are important traditional research areas, but the experience of programming and how to improve and evolve it are the focus of this workshop.
<br/><br/>=== Submissions ===
<br/><br/>Submissions are solicited for Programming Experience 2016 (PX/16). The thrust of the workshop is to explore the human experience of programming—what it feels like to program, or more accurately, what it should feel like. The technical topics include exploratory programming, live programming, authoring, representation of active content, visualization, navigation, modularity mechanisms, immediacy, literacy, fluency, learning, tool building, and language engineering.
<br/><br/>Submissions by academics, professional programmers, and non-professional programmer are welcome. Submissions can be in any form and format, including but not limited to papers, presentations, demos, videos, panels, debates, essays, writers' workshops, and art. Presentation slots will be between 30 minutes and one hour, depending on quality, form, and relevance to the workshop. Submissions directed toward publication should be so marked, and the program committee will engage in peer review for all such papers. Video publication will be arranged.
<br/><br/>All artifacts are to be submitted via EasyChair (<a href="https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=px16" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=px16</a>). Papers and essays must be written in English, provided as PDF documents, and follow the ACM SIGPLAN Conference Format (10 point font, Times New Roman font family, numeric citation style, <a href="http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/Author/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.sigplan.org/Resources/Author/</a>).
<br/><br/>There is no page limit on submitted papers and essays. It is, however, the responsibility of the authors to keep the reviewers interested and motivated to read the paper. Reviewers are under no obligation to read all or even a substantial portion of a paper or essay if they do not find the initial part of it interesting.
<br/><br/>=== Format ===
<br/><br/>Paper presentations, presentations without papers, live demonstrations, performances, videos, panel discussions, debates, writers' workshops, art galleries, dramatic readings.
<br/><br/>=== Review ===
<br/><br/>Papers and essays labeled as publications will undergo standard peer review; other submissions will be reviewed for relevance and quality; shepherding will be available.
<br/><br/>=== Important dates ===
<br/><br/>Submissions: April 15, 2016 (anywhere in the world)
<br/>Notifications: May 13, 2016
<br/>PX/16: July 18, 2016
<br/><br/>=== Publication ===
<br/><br/>Papers and essays accepted through peer review will be published as part of ACM's Digital Library; video publication on Vimeo or other streaming site; other publication on the PX workshop website.
<br/><br/>=== Organizers ===
<br/><br/>Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso Plattner Institute, University of Potsdam, Germany
<br/>Richard P. Gabriel, Dreamsongs and IBM Almaden Research Center, United States
<br/>Hidehiko Masuhara, Mathematical and Computing Science, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Japan
<br/><br/>=== Program committee ===
<br/><br/>Carl Friedrich Bolz, King's College London, United Kingdom
<br/>Gilad Bracha, Google, United States
<br/>Andrew Bragdon, Twitter, United States
<br/>Jonathan Edwards, CDG Labs, United States
<br/>Jun Kato, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, Japan
<br/>Cristina Videira Lopes, University of California at Irvine, United States
<br/>Yoshiki Ohshima, Viewpoints Research Institute, United States
<br/>Michael Perscheid, SAP Innovation Center, Germany
<br/>Guido Salvaneschi, TU Darmstadt, Germany
<br/>Marcel Taeumel, Hasso Plattner Institute, University of Potsdam, Germany
<br/>Alessandro Warth, SAP Labs, United States
<br/><br/>=== Flyer ===
<br/><br/><a href="http://programming-experience.org/px16/media/PX16CfP.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://programming-experience.org/px16/media/PX16CfP.pdf</a><br/><br/><br/><br/>--
<br/>Robert Hirschfeld
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4827735Dynamic Languages Symposium (DLS) 2015 | Call for Papers2015-05-20T14:08:28Z2015-05-20T14:08:28ZRobert Hirschfeld
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<br/> C A L L F O R P A P E R S
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<br/><br/> ======== DLS 2015 ===========
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<br/> 11th Dynamic Languages Symposium 2015
<br/> October, 2015
<br/> Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States
<br/> <a href="http://DLS2015.inria.fr" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://DLS2015.inria.fr</a><br/><br/><br/> Co-located with SPLASH 2015
<br/> In association with ACM SIGPLAN
<br/><br/>The 11th Dynamic Languages Symposium (DLS) at SPLASH 2015 is the
<br/>premier forum for researchers and practitioners to share knowledge and
<br/>research on dynamic languages, their implementation, and
<br/>applications. The influence of dynamic languages -- from Lisp to
<br/>Smalltalk to Python to Javascript -- on real-world practice and
<br/>research continues to grow.
<br/><br/>DLS 2015 invites high quality papers reporting original research,
<br/>innovative contributions, or experience related to dynamic languages,
<br/>their implementation, and applications. Accepted papers will be
<br/>published in the ACM Digital Library, and freely available for 2 weeks
<br/>before and after the event itself. Areas of interest include but are
<br/>not limited to:
<br/><br/> Innovative language features and implementation techniques
<br/> Development and platform support, tools
<br/> Interesting applications
<br/> Domain-oriented programming
<br/> Very late binding, dynamic composition, and run-time adaptation
<br/> Reflection and meta-programming
<br/> Software evolution
<br/> Language symbiosis and multi-paradigm languages
<br/> Dynamic optimization
<br/> Hardware support
<br/> Experience reports and case studies
<br/> Educational approaches and perspectives
<br/> Semantics of dynamic languages
<br/><br/>== Invited Speaker ==
<br/><br/>DLS is pleased to announce a talk by the following invited speaker:
<br/><br/> Eelco Visser: Declare your Language.
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<br/><br/>== Submissions and proceedings ==
<br/><br/>Submissions should not have been published previously nor under review
<br/>at other events. Research papers should describe work that advances
<br/>the current state of the art. Experience papers should be of broad
<br/>interest and should describe insights gained from substantive
<br/>practical applications. The program committee will evaluate each
<br/>contributed paper based on its relevance, significance, clarity,
<br/>length, and originality.
<br/><br/>Papers are to be submitted electronically at
<br/><a href="http://www.easychair.org/conferences?conf=dls15" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.easychair.org/conferences?conf=dls15</a> in PDF
<br/>format. Submissions must be in the ACM format (see
<br/><a href="http://www.sigplan.org/authorInformation.htm" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://www.sigplan.org/authorInformation.htm</a>) and not exceed 12
<br/>pages. Authors are reminded that brevity is a virtue.
<br/><br/>DLS 2015 will run a two-phase reviewing process to help authors make
<br/>their final papers the best that they can be. After the first round of
<br/>reviews, papers will be rejected, conditionally accepted, or
<br/>unconditionally accepted. Conditionally accepted papers will be given
<br/>a list of issues raised by reviewers. Authors will then submit a
<br/>revised version of the paper with a cover letter explaining how they
<br/>have or why they have not addressed these issues. The reviewers will
<br/>then consider the cover letter and revised paper and recommend final
<br/>acceptance or rejection.
<br/><br/>Accepted papers will be published in the ACM Digital Library.
<br/>Important dates
<br/><br/> Abstract Submissions: Sun 7 Jun 2015
<br/> Full Submissions: Sun 15 Jun 2015
<br/> First phase notification: Mon 27 Jul
<br/> Revisions due: Mon 3 Aug
<br/> Final notification: Mon 17 Aug
<br/> Camera ready: Fri 21 21 Aug
<br/><br/>Program chair
<br/><br/> Manuel Serrano, Inria Sophia-Antipolis,
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<br/><br/> Carl Friedrich Bolz, DE
<br/> William R. Cook, UTexas, USA
<br/> Jonathan Edwards, MIT, USA
<br/> John Field, Google, USA
<br/> Matt Flatt, USA
<br/> Elisa Gonzalez Boix, Vrije Universiteit, BE
<br/> Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso-Plattner-Institut Potsdam, DE
<br/> Benjamin Livshits, Microsoft, USA
<br/> Crista Lopes, UC Irvine, USA
<br/> Kevin Millikin, Google, DN
<br/> James Noble, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ
<br/> Manuel Serrano, Inria, FR (General chair)
<br/> Didier Verna, EPITA, FR
<br/> Jan Vitek, Purdue, USA
<br/> Joe Politz, Brown University, USA
<br/> Olivier Tardieu, IBM, USA
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4809602Migrate xhtml files from lively(-kernel) to latest lively2015-03-04T14:55:47Z2015-03-04T14:55:47Zmilan zimmermann
<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>After installing the latest lively-web locally from <a href="https://github.com/LivelyKernel/LivelyKernel" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://github.com/LivelyKernel/LivelyKernel</a>, I webdav copied some projects from my older playing with Lively in <a href="http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/users/mzimmerm/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/users/mzimmerm/</a> to the new installation.</div><div><br></div><div>But the projects do not open in the latest code - looking at the xhtml code they are generally <meta id="LivelyMigrationLevel"><![CDATA[4]]></meta>. I debugged through the bootstrap.js and I think there is something failing when the build() element fails to append to the body, but that is just a guess I was unable to follow through.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there a way to convert/migrate older xhtml files? I do not have anything of importance, so no problem if not, but perhaps there is something known I can do,</div><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div>milan</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4799222Loading JS files into world2015-01-13T03:48:47Z2015-01-13T03:48:47ZMarco Monteiro
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello!<br><br></div>I've recently started playing with Lively and I have a couple of questions.<br><br>I have some helper JS methods that I want to use in different worlds. Currently I install the methods in the world morph and use $world.<method> in my code. I would like to extract these methods into a JS library file and import it into different worlds. By reading other posts in the mailing list, I found that, for example, <a href="http://lively-web.org/users/larswassermann/relax.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lively-web.org/users/larswassermann/relax.html</a>, loads the <a href="http://lively-web.org/users/larswassermann/relax.js" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lively-web.org/users/larswassermann/relax.js</a> file. I want to do the same thing in my worlds. How can I do that? <br><br>I've been exploring and found the Preferences window. In that, I see a bootstrap group, which seems could be something that would allow me to add files JS files to the bootstrap, but when I try to edit the bootstrapFiles property, I get '["core/lively/Migration.js","core/liv...' in the editor, instead of the entire array.<br></div><br>Also, how can I load a generic JS library (for example<code class=""><span class=""><span class=""> <a href="https://sdk.amazonaws.com/js/aws-sdk-2.1.5.min.js" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://sdk.amazonaws.com/js/aws-sdk-2.1.5.min.js</a></span></span></code>) into the world and have AWS (defined as a global variable in the library) be a global variable in my world?<br><br></div>I think I read in the mailing list an answer to this:<br><br>module(<my-module>).requires().requiresLib({<br> url: "<a href="https://sdk.amazonaws.com/js/aws-sdk-2.1.5.min.js" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://sdk.amazonaws.com/js/aws-sdk-2.1.5.min.js</a>", loadTest: function() { return !!window.AWS; }<br>}).toRun(function() {<br><br>});<br><div><div><br>if I can load my own library (earlier question).<br><br>Is there any documentation or other resources for this kind of (lower level) stuff? For example, how the bootstrap process works, etc.<br><br></div><div>Thanks.<br></div></div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4792445Lively Cheat Sheet Link not working2014-11-26T16:45:18Z2014-11-26T16:45:18ZSteve Thomas
<div dir="ltr"><div>FYI, The link to <span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:19px;text-decoration:underline;white-space:pre-wrap">Lively Cheat Sheet</span> opens a blank page.</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen</div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4778396request for info about some "spec" parameters of connections2014-09-16T08:33:53Z2014-09-16T08:33:53ZDavide Della Casa
Looking at this, spec for connections:
<br/><br/> + 'spec can be: {\n'
<br/> + ' removeAfterUpdate: Boolean,\n'
<br/> + ' forceAttributeConnection: Boolean,\n'
<br/> + ' converter: Function,\n'
<br/> + ' updater: Function,\n'
<br/> + ' varMapping: Object\n'
<br/> + '}',
<br/><br/>converter and updater are explained in a couple of docs, that’s cool.
<br/><br/>Any insight/organic explanation about what the others (removeAfterUpdate, forceAttributeConnection, varMapping) do and in which context they are necessary/useful? Online somewhere, papers anywhere, previous email threads?
<br/><br/>If not, can anybody give a sketch in this thread?
<br/><br/>Cheers!
<br/>Davide Della Casa
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4778221data binding setters / why no infinite recursion?2014-09-15T16:10:41Z2014-09-15T16:10:41ZDavide Della Casa
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">In the Celsius - Fahrenheit example, each text box is connected to the other one.<div><br></div><div>So changing the Celsius calculates the Fahrenheit and vice-versa.</div><div><br></div><div>Question is: why does it not go in infinite updates between the two text boxes?</div><div><br></div><div>I’m going through the code and “How connect works” and can’t figure out what’s preventing the infinite updates. The original Ingalls 1988 Fabrik paper mentions that this loop can/should/is avoided but it doesn’t give specifics (“with some care” and “bidirectionality…shorthand for multiple paths” page 5). There doesn’t seem to be a check in “connect” or “update” or the setter. The setter seems to do an update, so why doesn’t changing the C box cause the setter of F to invoke updates on C again?</div><div><br></div><div>Also tried to look for “loop” in source code <a href="https://github.com/LivelyKernel/LivelyKernel/search?utf8=✓&q=loop&type=Code" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://github.com/LivelyKernel/LivelyKernel/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=loop&type=Code</a> but nothing jumps to the eye.</div><div><br></div><div>What’s the trick I’m missing?</div><div><br></div><div><div>(BTW the edit/select/move-cursor behaviour in the text boxes when they are connected is glitchy)</div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Davide Della Casa</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div><br />_______________________________________________
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4777949old posts2014-09-14T09:18:19Z2014-09-14T09:18:19Zccrosetti
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi, how can I browse old posts,
Carlos</FONT></DIV>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4777344Looking to pare down LK2014-09-10T12:28:14Z2014-09-10T12:28:14ZDave Mason
Lively Kernel is way cool!
<br/><br/>Unfortunately, it doesn't address my needs directly.
<br/><br/>I am developing a web app and I want 2 things:
<br/><br/>1) a nice IDE that lets me develop Javascript code, test it out, and
<br/>where I can hide it when I need the whole screen for the app. LK does
<br/>(most) of this.
<br/><br/>2) the deliverable needs to load very quickly, so I need to be able to
<br/>deploy something where (at least most of LK) is out of the picture.
<br/>The app was previously written with Amber Smalltalk so depends on a
<br/>very Smalltalk-like class hierarchy, so I would want most of what is
<br/>in the base "classes" in core/lively/lang but not much more (maybe
<br/>net, definitely not morphic).
<br/><br/>Is this doable? Is there a template for it, or a how-to?
<br/><br/>(Actually the app is currently in Amber Smalltalk, but I'm considering
<br/>moving to more-or-less pure javascript. I would write tools to
<br/>automatically translate translate the Smalltalk to Javascript/LK.
<br/>Hmm, I wonder how doable it would be to add a Smalltalk parser/editor
<br/>to edit the .st files directly. It would obviously have a different
<br/>object/class model, but could use Smalltalk syntax. Any opinion on
<br/>how difficult that would be?)
<br/><br/>Thanks ../Dave
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4773509adding a JS library to my world2014-08-15T12:38:08Z2014-08-15T12:38:08Zccrosetti
<p>Hi, it is possible to add a JavaScript library at my world level, thus not affecting other LK users working on the same LK server?</p>
<p>Thanks, Carlos</p>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4763262mashups2014-06-15T17:06:25Z2014-06-15T17:06:25Zccrosetti
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi, is there a tutorial on how LK can mashup
content from a site like TripAdvisor?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, Carlos</FONT></DIV>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4763176What feedback do you want and how should it be given?2014-06-14T18:06:52Z2014-06-14T18:06:52ZChip Nowacek
<div dir="ltr">I have been going through the FAQs and examples and am seeing things. Do and, if so, how would you like to receive feedback? Here?</div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4763174Can I create an animated presentation with voice narration with Lively?2014-06-14T16:22:38Z2014-06-14T16:22:38ZChip Nowacek
<div dir="ltr">Is LK ready for that kind of work?<div><br></div><div>Thanks</div></div>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4762998mashups2014-06-13T08:46:21Z2014-06-13T08:46:21ZCarlos Crosetti
Hi, there are many examples in PartsBin, which one is the best to describe the steps how to mashup conent from TripAdvisor or alike? Is there a component that accepts an iframe ? Thanks, Carlos