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Looking for Gjallar

Edgar De Cleene
Looking for Gjallar Folks

Navigating from http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar seems the project is non working

No downloads

No lists

Any help ?

Edgar


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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Frank Shearar-3
On 11 October 2011 12:38, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Folks
>
> Navigating from http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar seems the project is non
> working
>
> No downloads
>
> No lists
>
> Any help ?
>
> Edgar

http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar/96 might be a good place? It's
mentioned on the front page as part of "2009-03-05: An unplanned but
quite nice release: Gefjon release 0.5!"

frank

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Edgar De Cleene



On 10/11/11 8:39 AM, "Frank Shearar" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar/96 might be a good place? It's
> mentioned on the front page as part of "2009-03-05: An unplanned but
> quite nice release: Gefjon release 0.5!"
>
> frank


I look all the site and most links seems dead
In particular all which derivates from http://mc.gjallar.se , which do not
responses


 http://krampe.se/mailman/listinfo/gjallar. Do not responses

Edgar



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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Göran Krampe
Hi!

On 10/11/2011 01:45 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:

> On 10/11/11 8:39 AM, "Frank Shearar"<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar/96 might be a good place? It's
>> mentioned on the front page as part of "2009-03-05: An unplanned but
>> quite nice release: Gefjon release 0.5!"
>>
>> frank
>
>
> I look all the site and most links seems dead
> In particular all which derivates from http://mc.gjallar.se , which do not
> responses
 >
>   http://krampe.se/mailman/listinfo/gjallar. Do not responses
>
> Edgar

Gjallar has not had any activity for quite some time - but... the fact
that some of the resources are not reachable at the moment is due to two
factors:

- The domain gjallar.se is a bit... hosed right now.
- I am currently gradually moving services from my old virtual server at
Unixshell.com to a new server at Dediserve.com.

These two things combined have probably made a lot of Gjallar related
stuff inaccessible.

But nothing has "changed" - and if there is interest in Gjallar I gladly
help out. Just ask.

regards, Göran

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Chris Muller-3
Hi Göran, I have been wanting to check out Gjaller for a long time --
I never thought there would be any danger of the files becoming
(gasp)..  inaccessible.  My impression of Gjaller is as a "signature"
Squeak application.  Now I feel urgency to obtain a copy of the code
so that it isn't lost into oblivion.

When you get your services moved will you consider putting the Gjaller
stuff back up too?

 - Chris



2011/10/11 Göran Krampe <[hidden email]>:

> Hi!
>
> On 10/11/2011 01:45 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>
>> On 10/11/11 8:39 AM, "Frank Shearar"<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar/96 might be a good place? It's
>>> mentioned on the front page as part of "2009-03-05: An unplanned but
>>> quite nice release: Gefjon release 0.5!"
>>>
>>> frank
>>
>>
>> I look all the site and most links seems dead
>> In particular all which derivates from http://mc.gjallar.se , which do not
>> responses
>
>>
>>
>>  http://krampe.se/mailman/listinfo/gjallar. Do not responses
>>
>> Edgar
>
> Gjallar has not had any activity for quite some time - but... the fact that
> some of the resources are not reachable at the moment is due to two factors:
>
> - The domain gjallar.se is a bit... hosed right now.
> - I am currently gradually moving services from my old virtual server at
> Unixshell.com to a new server at Dediserve.com.
>
> These two things combined have probably made a lot of Gjallar related stuff
> inaccessible.
>
> But nothing has "changed" - and if there is interest in Gjallar I gladly
> help out. Just ask.
>
> regards, Göran
>
>

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

vaidasd
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Hello Goran,
I would like to try Gjallar. Can you tel where it can be downloaded?
Vaidas

2011 m. spalis 11 d. 23:44, Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> rašė:
Hi!


On 10/11/2011 01:45 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
On 10/11/11 8:39 AM, "Frank Shearar"<[hidden email]>  wrote:
http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar/96 might be a good place? It's
mentioned on the front page as part of "2009-03-05: An unplanned but
quite nice release: Gefjon release 0.5!"

frank


I look all the site and most links seems dead
In particular all which derivates from http://mc.gjallar.se , which do not
responses
>
 http://krampe.se/mailman/listinfo/gjallar. Do not responses

Edgar

Gjallar has not had any activity for quite some time - but... the fact that some of the resources are not reachable at the moment is due to two factors:

- The domain gjallar.se is a bit... hosed right now.
- I am currently gradually moving services from my old virtual server at Unixshell.com to a new server at Dediserve.com.

These two things combined have probably made a lot of Gjallar related stuff inaccessible.

But nothing has "changed" - and if there is interest in Gjallar I gladly help out. Just ask.

regards, Göran




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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Göran Krampe
On 03/27/2012 08:18 AM, Vaidotas Didžbalis wrote:
> Hello Goran,
> I would like to try Gjallar. Can you tel where it can be downloaded?
> Vaidas

Mmm, let me fix it... now, the website is at least here:

        http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar

...but the downloads are not there., they are instead here:

        http://padme.krampe.se/gjallar/

(so all URLs referring mc.gjallar.se should go there instead)

regards, Göran

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Chris Muller-3
Thanks a lot Göran.  Would you mind if I or someone made it accessible
via SqueakSource and a load-script on SqueakMap?  Just to improve its
accessibility.

 - Chris

PS - That's a pretty nice upload output you have there.



On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 03/27/2012 08:18 AM, Vaidotas Didžbalis wrote:
>>
>> Hello Goran,
>> I would like to try Gjallar. Can you tel where it can be downloaded?
>> Vaidas
>
>
> Mmm, let me fix it... now, the website is at least here:
>
>        http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar
>
> ...but the downloads are not there., they are instead here:
>
>        http://padme.krampe.se/gjallar/
>
> (so all URLs referring mc.gjallar.se should go there instead)
>
> regards, Göran
>

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Göran Krampe
On 03/28/2012 05:19 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
> Thanks a lot Göran.  Would you mind if I or someone made it accessible
> via SqueakSource and a load-script on SqueakMap?  Just to improve its
> accessibility.

Well... I actually don't really think SqueakMap fits - the server part
has external dependencies etc, so it is quite hard to "package".

But what I should do is create a repo on SS for all the Squeak code of
course, I will do that ASAP.

There has been some interest in Gjallar lately (for some odd reason!)
and I do intend to:

1. Write up a description of what is there and what is good and bad.
2. Write an "ideal todo" if I had infinite time and money to bring it to
the next step.

...and possibly also start cleaning out some bits. Will see.

> PS - That's a pretty nice upload output you have there.

 From padme.krampe.se? It is a new virtual server at Dediserve in Texas,
got a good deal for it :)

regards, Göran

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Re: Looking for Gjallar

vaidasd
Goran,
Gjallar has impressive feature list. What went wrong with this project? 
From the development POV, it would be nice to have architectural description, a guide, warnings, suggested directions for improvement. 
Vaidas

2012 m. kovas 28 d. 11:04, Göran Krampe <[hidden email]> rašė:
On 03/28/2012 05:19 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
Thanks a lot Göran.  Would you mind if I or someone made it accessible
via SqueakSource and a load-script on SqueakMap?  Just to improve its
accessibility.

Well... I actually don't really think SqueakMap fits - the server part has external dependencies etc, so it is quite hard to "package".

But what I should do is create a repo on SS for all the Squeak code of course, I will do that ASAP.

There has been some interest in Gjallar lately (for some odd reason!) and I do intend to:

1. Write up a description of what is there and what is good and bad.
2. Write an "ideal todo" if I had infinite time and money to bring it to the next step.

...and possibly also start cleaning out some bits. Will see.


PS - That's a pretty nice upload output you have there.

>From padme.krampe.se? It is a new virtual server at Dediserve in Texas, got a good deal for it :)

regards, Göran




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Re: Looking for Gjallar

Göran Krampe
On 03/28/2012 12:07 PM, Vaidotas Didžbalis wrote:
> Goran,
> Gjallar has impressive feature list. What went wrong with this project?

Well, it ended up a bit over ambitious and over engineered in parts. Not
all of it - but parts. And there was a reason at the time for that
ambition, but since the primary customer decided to go in another
direction the project was left at version 0.5 with too little muscle to
pull off the "ambition level".

It was in deployment at a small customer for almost a year, and while it
did not at all have any substantial amounts of issues to handle, it was
used "daily" for that time.

>  From the development POV, it would be nice to have architectural
> description, a guide, warnings, suggested directions for improvement.
> Vaidas

Yeah, I intend to write this down. Just not right now, perhaps tonight
after badminton! :)

regards, Göran