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Kasper Osterbye
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Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

Kasper Osterbye
My sheep project - Ovina2 - is now public for other to be scared about.
I am on my way out the door, so databases will have to wait until monday when I am back from kayaking.
This is the link:

The two main presenters are OvinaHistoryPresenter and OvinaAllSheepsPresenter, I expect they end up living in a single app window in the end.
In my view it is about 80% done.

Best,

Kasper
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Sebastian Jordan
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Hi Russ,
Do not scarry of the WorldMenu item. Any tool can appear in the WorldMenu if it has a class side method `menuCommandOn:`. Just load the code with the script that appears in the README. Look at the classes in the packages and you will see that a lot of them are children of SpPresenter. I do not know if my tools is a complete example of all Spec framework. But at least it has all the basics covered.
Let me know if you have any question 🙂 We can talk on Discord too.

Sebastian
From: Russ Whaley <[hidden email]>
Sent: 12 May 2021 12:52
To: Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...
 
Mark & Sebastian,
Sebastian, the link you provided is to a RewriteToolsSet... I don't understand how this provides insights into a Spec2 solution? - but admittedly I didn't dig too deep - I saw WorldMenu items and went 'woah-stop!', lol.  I'm hoping there was another link Mark referenced that perhaps didn't come through my email chain  :)  

I REALLY want to learn how others use Spec2 in an integrated way (interconnected presenters, model refreshes, etc.).  I've written 6 apps in Pharo (all with Spec2 GUI) and I still don't feel as if I'm doing things correctly.  I can 'get things to work' and I'm pretty pleased with them in general, but I usually run up against the same 'refresh' issues, especially around notebooks.

Esteban is a wealth of information and has been very helpful for my basic understanding - but I can envision him shaking his head at my feeble attempts and questions (just kidding Esteban!).

I am VERY interested to review Spec2 code others are successfully using, so I can hopefully get past whatever brainblock I have in my Spec2 designs.

... and I would very much like to be involved in a Spec2 workshop/session/whatever!

Happy Pharo-ing!
Russ (whalehead on discord)

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Tim

Thanks for the suggestion - I’m aware of the alternative of using a web application architecture using something like Seaside (and now CodeParadise too - thanks).

But I’m more interested at the moment in getting on top of a more traditional application for these personal apps I want to build for my desktop PC.

My needs may change of course - and I’m sure will look at doing some web apps in the future...

More importantly - YES - it is great to be back in a ST environment again , and of course it is still so very very addictive !!

[ Before resuming I spent some time familiarising myself with the mainstream tools the industry seems to have adopted in the last 10-20 years. I must say I was quite surprised and even disappointed about the complexity, verbosity and incomprehensible syntax of some, and the sloppiness (or is it flexibility?) of others. I really was not keen to have to pick up one of those again. I had somehow hoped or expected that language and environment design would have been much slicker and more fully evolved by now…]

Cheers Tim, and thanks for the suggestion…

Mark



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Russ Whaley
Great, Sebastian, thanks. I’ll take a (braver) look into the code soon. I’ll touch base on discord :)

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:39 AM Sebastian Jordan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Russ,
Do not scarry of the WorldMenu item. Any tool can appear in the WorldMenu if it has a class side method `menuCommandOn:`. Just load the code with the script that appears in the README. Look at the classes in the packages and you will see that a lot of them are children of SpPresenter. I do not know if my tools is a complete example of all Spec framework. But at least it has all the basics covered.
Let me know if you have any question 🙂 We can talk on Discord too.

Sebastian
From: Russ Whaley <[hidden email]>
Sent: 12 May 2021 12:52
To: Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>

Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...
 
Mark & Sebastian,
Sebastian, the link you provided is to a RewriteToolsSet... I don't understand how this provides insights into a Spec2 solution? - but admittedly I didn't dig too deep - I saw WorldMenu items and went 'woah-stop!', lol.  I'm hoping there was another link Mark referenced that perhaps didn't come through my email chain  :)  

I REALLY want to learn how others use Spec2 in an integrated way (interconnected presenters, model refreshes, etc.).  I've written 6 apps in Pharo (all with Spec2 GUI) and I still don't feel as if I'm doing things correctly.  I can 'get things to work' and I'm pretty pleased with them in general, but I usually run up against the same 'refresh' issues, especially around notebooks.

Esteban is a wealth of information and has been very helpful for my basic understanding - but I can envision him shaking his head at my feeble attempts and questions (just kidding Esteban!).

I am VERY interested to review Spec2 code others are successfully using, so I can hopefully get past whatever brainblock I have in my Spec2 designs.

... and I would very much like to be involved in a Spec2 workshop/session/whatever!

Happy Pharo-ing!
Russ (whalehead on discord)

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Tim

Thanks for the suggestion - I’m aware of the alternative of using a web application architecture using something like Seaside (and now CodeParadise too - thanks).

But I’m more interested at the moment in getting on top of a more traditional application for these personal apps I want to build for my desktop PC.

My needs may change of course - and I’m sure will look at doing some web apps in the future...

More importantly - YES - it is great to be back in a ST environment again , and of course it is still so very very addictive !!

[ Before resuming I spent some time familiarising myself with the mainstream tools the industry seems to have adopted in the last 10-20 years. I must say I was quite surprised and even disappointed about the complexity, verbosity and incomprehensible syntax of some, and the sloppiness (or is it flexibility?) of others. I really was not keen to have to pick up one of those again. I had somehow hoped or expected that language and environment design would have been much slicker and more fully evolved by now…]

Cheers Tim, and thanks for the suggestion…

Mark



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