MNU in tools after loading parcel

> Hi,
>
> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished  
> yet)
> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel seems
> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>
> Please help!
>
> THX,
> Steffen

> Hi,
>
> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
> yet)
> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel seems
> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>
> Please help!
>
> THX,
> Steffen

> Steffen,
>
> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel & file-in method  
> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to  
> find the cause.
>
> Kind regards,
> L. Willmann
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
> To: "vwnc" <[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>
>
> Hi,
>
> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>
> Regards,
> Steffen
>
> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>> yet)
>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel  
>> seems
>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> THX,
>> Steffen
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> Steffen,
>
> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel & file-in method  
> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to  
> find the cause.
>
> Kind regards,
> L. Willmann
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
> To: "vwnc" <[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>
>
> Hi,
>
> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>
> Regards,
> Steffen
>
> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>> yet)
>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel  
>> seems
>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>
>> Please help!
>>
>> THX,
>> Steffen
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> I tried on Windows 7:
> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in my private  
> namespace there is no problem
> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in the Smalltalk  
> namespace I get on parcel publishing the infinite number of "MNU:  
> #from:" as you are seeing on parcel load
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im  
> Auftrag von Steffen Märcker
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 11:54
> An: vwnc
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>
> Hi,
>
> I've got a step further. (Thanks to L. William!) The problems are caused
> by the following class I've defined:
>
> Class Smalltalk.Pattern
> Superclass: Core.Object
> ...
>
> It seems to interfere with either Graphics.Pattern or XML.Pattern on
> Windows. This seems odd to me because on Mac everything works smoothly.  
> Is
> this a know bug or a limitation on Windows?
>
> Regards, Steffen
>
>
>
> Am 21.12.2010, 10:07 Uhr, schrieb Linus Willmann <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Steffen,
>>
>> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel & file-in method
>> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to
>> find the cause.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> L. Willmann
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "vwnc" <[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steffen
>>
>> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>>> yet)
>>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel
>>> seems
>>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>>
>>> Please help!
>>>
>>> THX,
>>> Steffen
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> Ok,
>
> one step further I see several references to Graphics.Image which are not
> prefixed with the namespace 'Graphics'. I think the get resolved to my
> class at it doesn't reside inside a namespace other than 'Smalltalk'. If
> this observation is correct I suggest to correct the references in the
> base image in order to prevent those problems in general.
> Any opinions on this?
>
> Regards, Steffen
>
>
> Am 21.12.2010, 12:08 Uhr, schrieb Nowak, Helge <[hidden email]>:
>
>> I tried on Windows 7:
>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in my private
>> namespace there is no problem
>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in the Smalltalk
>> namespace I get on parcel publishing the infinite number of "MNU:
>> #from:" as you are seeing on parcel load
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im
>> Auftrag von Steffen Märcker
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 11:54
>> An: vwnc
>> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've got a step further. (Thanks to L. William!) The problems are caused
>> by the following class I've defined:
>>
>> Class Smalltalk.Pattern
>> Superclass: Core.Object
>> ...
>>
>> It seems to interfere with either Graphics.Pattern or XML.Pattern on
>> Windows. This seems odd to me because on Mac everything works smoothly.
>> Is
>> this a know bug or a limitation on Windows?
>>
>> Regards, Steffen
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 21.12.2010, 10:07 Uhr, schrieb Linus Willmann <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Steffen,
>>>
>>> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel & file-in  
>>> method
>>> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to
>>> find the cause.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> L. Willmann
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "vwnc" <[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Steffen
>>>
>>> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>>>> yet)
>>>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel
>>>> seems
>>>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>>>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>>>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>>>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>>>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>>>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>>>
>>>> Please help!
>>>>
>>>> THX,
>>>> Steffen
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> Sorry, my fault. I mean Graphics.Pattern, of course. -_-'
>
> Steffen
>
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> one step further I see several references to Graphics.Image which are not
>> prefixed with the namespace 'Graphics'. I think the get resolved to my
>> class at it doesn't reside inside a namespace other than 'Smalltalk'. If
>> this observation is correct I suggest to correct the references in the
>> base image in order to prevent those problems in general.
>> Any opinions on this?
>>
>> Regards, Steffen
>>
>>
>> Am 21.12.2010, 12:08 Uhr, schrieb Nowak, Helge<[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> I tried on Windows 7:
>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in my private
>>> namespace there is no problem
>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in the Smalltalk
>>> namespace I get on parcel publishing the infinite number of "MNU:
>>> #from:" as you are seeing on parcel load
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im
>>> Auftrag von Steffen Märcker
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 11:54
>>> An: vwnc
>>> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've got a step further. (Thanks to L. William!) The problems are caused
>>> by the following class I've defined:
>>>
>>> Class Smalltalk.Pattern
>>> Superclass: Core.Object
>>> ...
>>>
>>> It seems to interfere with either Graphics.Pattern or XML.Pattern on
>>> Windows. This seems odd to me because on Mac everything works smoothly.
>>> Is
>>> this a know bug or a limitation on Windows?
>>>
>>> Regards, Steffen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.12.2010, 10:07 Uhr, schrieb Linus Willmann<[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Steffen,
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel&  file-in
>>>> method
>>>> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to
>>>> find the cause.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> L. Willmann
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "vwnc"<[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Steffen
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker<[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>>>>> yet)
>>>>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>>>>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>>>>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>>>>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>>>>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>>>>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help!
>>>>>
>>>>> THX,
>>>>> Steffen
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> Sorry, my fault. I mean Graphics.Pattern, of course. -_-'
>
> Steffen
>
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> one step further I see several references to Graphics.Image which are not
>> prefixed with the namespace 'Graphics'. I think the get resolved to my
>> class at it doesn't reside inside a namespace other than 'Smalltalk'. If
>> this observation is correct I suggest to correct the references in the
>> base image in order to prevent those problems in general.
>> Any opinions on this?
>>
>> Regards, Steffen
>>
>>
>> Am 21.12.2010, 12:08 Uhr, schrieb Nowak, Helge<[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> I tried on Windows 7:
>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in my private
>>> namespace there is no problem
>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in the Smalltalk
>>> namespace I get on parcel publishing the infinite number of "MNU:
>>> #from:" as you are seeing on parcel load
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im
>>> Auftrag von Steffen Märcker
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 11:54
>>> An: vwnc
>>> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've got a step further. (Thanks to L. William!) The problems are caused
>>> by the following class I've defined:
>>>
>>> Class Smalltalk.Pattern
>>> Superclass: Core.Object
>>> ...
>>>
>>> It seems to interfere with either Graphics.Pattern or XML.Pattern on
>>> Windows. This seems odd to me because on Mac everything works smoothly.
>>> Is
>>> this a know bug or a limitation on Windows?
>>>
>>> Regards, Steffen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.12.2010, 10:07 Uhr, schrieb Linus Willmann<[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Steffen,
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel&  file-in
>>>> method
>>>> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to
>>>> find the cause.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> L. Willmann
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "vwnc"<[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Steffen
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker<[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't finished
>>>>> yet)
>>>>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop of
>>>>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g. the
>>>>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class (not
>>>>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>>>>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>>>>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help!
>>>>>
>>>>> THX,
>>>>> Steffen
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>> From my point of view you can never be sure that at any point in time  
>> the System will not have a class that has the same name as yours.  
>> Therefore I'd call it a good practice to have all my classes in my  
>> namespace.
>
> Cheers
> Helge
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im  
> Auftrag von Alan Knight
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 16:37
> An: [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>
> I think part of the point of the namespace mechanism is that if you're
> introducing classes of your own which have names the same as those in
> basic Smalltalk, that you can put them in your own namespaces and they
> won't conflict with the base. The design which took everything out of
> the Smalltalk namespace and put it into sub-namespaces which were then
> all imported into Smalltalk so they might as well have been there anyway
> is questionable. But I certainly wouldn't want to see all references to
> base system classes need to be prefixed. In general, I'd like to avoid
> having to use prefixes. Why wouldn't you just create your class in an
> application namespace?
>
> I suspect the reason you see that on one platform but not on another
> might be because the order of lookup is not strictly deterministic, so
> you might get references resolving to one class on one platform and
> another on another. But that's complete speculation on my part, and I'm
> not sure what would make the order actually change if you just moved an
> image from one platform to another.
>
> On 2010-12-21 8:16 AM, Steffen Märcker wrote:
>> Sorry, my fault. I mean Graphics.Pattern, of course. -_-'
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>
>>> Ok,
>>>
>>> one step further I see several references to Graphics.Image which are  
>>> not
>>> prefixed with the namespace 'Graphics'. I think the get resolved to my
>>> class at it doesn't reside inside a namespace other than 'Smalltalk'.  
>>> If
>>> this observation is correct I suggest to correct the references in the
>>> base image in order to prevent those problems in general.
>>> Any opinions on this?
>>>
>>> Regards, Steffen
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.12.2010, 12:08 Uhr, schrieb Nowak, Helge<[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> I tried on Windows 7:
>>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in my private
>>>> namespace there is no problem
>>>> - If I create the Pattern class as a subclass of Object in the  
>>>> Smalltalk
>>>> namespace I get on parcel publishing the infinite number of "MNU:
>>>> #from:" as you are seeing on parcel load
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im
>>>> Auftrag von Steffen Märcker
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 11:54
>>>> An: vwnc
>>>> Betreff: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've got a step further. (Thanks to L. William!) The problems are  
>>>> caused
>>>> by the following class I've defined:
>>>>
>>>> Class Smalltalk.Pattern
>>>> Superclass: Core.Object
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> It seems to interfere with either Graphics.Pattern or XML.Pattern on
>>>> Windows. This seems odd to me because on Mac everything works  
>>>> smoothly.
>>>> Is
>>>> this a know bug or a limitation on Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Steffen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 21.12.2010, 10:07 Uhr, schrieb Linus Willmann<[hidden email]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Steffen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd suggest, to create a source file-In from the parcel&  file-in
>>>>> method
>>>>> by method - each time creating the activities to raise the error -to
>>>>> find the cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> L. Willmann
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: "vwnc"<[hidden email]>; "Steffen Märcker"<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [vwnc] MNU in tools after loading parcel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> has anybody some ideas how I can investigate what's going on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Steffen
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 20.12.2010, 17:10 Uhr, schrieb Steffen Märcker<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've created the attached package on Mac (that library isn't  
>>>>>> finished
>>>>>> yet)
>>>>>> and attempted to load it into images on Windows. Loading the parcel
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> to be successful. Unfortunately the image gets into an endless loop  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> opening exceptions notifiers with an MNU ( #from: ) if I use e.g.  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> browser. For example, try to create a new protocol in some class  
>>>>>> (not
>>>>>> necessarily from this package) and the endless loop starts.
>>>>>> I've absolutely no idea what's going on and debugging seems to be
>>>>>> impossible. Even stranger, on Mac nothing like this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THX,
>>>>>> Steffen
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