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Contributing changes to Cincom Engineering (Was: Mac Look and Feel improvements)

Thomas, Arden
In addition to Travis' excellent points;

1) Please let me (product manager) know which add-ins you use.  I'll try to take another survey as I have done in the past.
The reason - I try to get the functionality of widely used contributed items considered for addition to the product.

2) Alan has quoted experienced sources on this matter; to paraphrase:  "To go from a working example to supported production code may require 10x the time and resource to do so"

Regards

Arden

Arden Thomas
Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager
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Cincom Smalltalk - It makes hard things easier, the impossible, possible

"Simplicity is the Ultimate Sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci

On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Travis Griggs wrote:

On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:01 AM, giorgio ferraris wrote:

Question is: why Cincom has been unable to catch this work and move it on the supported distribution, and in the meantime working for the fabulous definitive answer that we are happy to get, but we have trouble (well supported by the history) about when (and if) it will happens sometime?

This is a great question. I once felt very strongly and similarly bewildered by this. It was in the hey day of the Linux distro business, and I wondered why Cincom didn't spend more time just integrating/maintaining stuff, leaving the development to the actual community. I remember writing a similar rant to the above, but I was longer winded (nothing new there) and more aggressive about it. I think there was even a pilot project I was writing that I wanted to nominate as an example of how that could work.

I remember amongst the replies a guarded comment from Eliot Miranda that was something like "OK, but you'll have to be patient with us, our standard for code quality is pretty high." At the time, I didn't get this. I remember thinking "you're kidding me right??? Some of the code in the Cincom base is anything other than what I'd call high quality. I'm pretty sure our group does a better job than Cincom does currently when it comes to code quality and getting things done." I bit my tongue (rare for me).

Now I work at Cincom, have for a bit. I understand this better. .........(snipped)
Travis Griggs
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"Some of them wanted to sell me snake oil and I'm not necessarily going to dismiss all of these, as I have never found a rusty snake." --Terry Pratchett

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Contributing changes to Cincom Engineering (Was: Mac Look and Feel improvements)

Thomas, Arden
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Let me clarify what I think Bob is referring to about contributing to the Cincom Smalltalk code base in the VWDev program;

First, if you are testing a feature in development and discover issues with your valid use of it (and report it, code fix optional) that contributes by making sure our released code works with your (customer) needs.  

Also we do "partnered development" on a case by case basis, with customers, for some features.  For example, if three customers need the new "xyz" protocol available, and can commit to timely testing, we will work with those customers to make sure the protocol works for their needs (sometimes unique).  This is a real win-win;  the customer knows it will work for them when it is released, and Cincom knows it will work for our  customers needs.   

Both these scenarios could have parts of customer contributed code used, or the code can influence the solution, or be used as a starting point to contribute to the product level solution.

Regards

Arden

Arden Thomas
Cincom Smalltalk Product Manager
845 296 0686

Cincom Smalltalk - It makes hard things easier, the impossible, possible

"Simplicity is the Ultimate Sophistication" - Leonardo Da Vinci

On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Bob Calco wrote:


Or join their developer program, in which case you get all their products, including those in beta and early release, and are able to experience a feedback loop that gives you a more realistic taste of the rigors of their in-house development process. But, to be clear, they have that program specifically for people who wish to contribute potentially to the code base, to have their ideas affect CinCom's direction more directly. So if you're *really* serious about contributing to VW, and have the time, that is an alternative.

 





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Re: Mac Look and Feel improvements

Ken G. Brown
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Mac OS X 10.7.3

In VisualWorks® Release  7.8 of March 30, 2011 at least, saving the image does not honor the current label setting for the file, it reverts to no label whenever saved.

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