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johnmci

Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

I've push the latest cocoa based 32/64bit macintel/powerpc VM to the folder experimental/64bits in the regular places found via http://smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html

Look for the

Squeak 64/32 5.2b1.app

This *beta* VM runs in 32 or 64 bit mode on macIntel, and 32bit mode on powerpc to support Squeak 32bit images.

I've updated the app so that the extended clipboard support is built in so that you can do cut/copy/paste in the latest Pharo image.
At the moment the only supported plugin is the FreeType2 (32/64bit mode) and is also included, I hope to rebuild the mac menu logic in a few weeks/days.

It is possible the VM will support other plugins, but only if you run it in 32bit mode via get info.

As a reminder I do need more people to use it as their development platform so we can work out any bugs.

I'll look at building a 64bit vm/ 64bit images if there is interest...

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Lukas Renggli

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

Hi John

> As a reminder I do need more people to use it as their development platform so we can work out any bugs.

It would make testing much easier if you provided a direct download
link. It usually takes me a couple of minutes to find the right file,
which is not ideal if you would like to get as much feedback as
possible. Also the slash in the package name makes things more
difficult than necessary. For my comments below I am referring to
"experimental/64bit/32bitImage*64bitVM/Squeak 64\/32 5.2b1.app", which
seems to have a timestamp from today.

- Running the Seaside 3.0 tests reproducibly results in the attached
crash of the VM (seaside-crash.txt).

- Running the Seaside 2.8, Pier, Magritte, Refactoring and OB tests
work fine. I also worked a bit with the VM and couldn't observe other
problems. The clipboard works well.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

Hi John! I have just download the vm and played for a while. I have a good news and a bad one.

The good news is that the bug of the double copy past seems to be gone away. Maybe because what you said about "lack mac menu integration". I should check because if then, when you do that, I have the double paste bug again, at least we know where it comes from :)

The bad news is that FFI is not working, but it is ok as you said the only plugin you compile was FreeType and it seems to be working for me :)

For the moments I don't need other plugin than FreeType I will use this VM and will report anything I found.

Thanks

Mariano

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi John

> As a reminder I do need more people to use it as their development platform so we can work out any bugs.

It would make testing much easier if you provided a direct download
link. It usually takes me a couple of minutes to find the right file,
which is not ideal if you would like to get as much feedback as
possible. Also the slash in the package name makes things more
difficult than necessary. For my comments below I am referring to
"experimental/64bit/32bitImage*64bitVM/Squeak 64\/32 5.2b1.app", which
seems to have a timestamp from today.

- Running the Seaside 3.0 tests reproducibly results in the attached
crash of the VM (seaside-crash.txt).

- Running the Seaside 2.8, Pier, Magritte, Refactoring and OB tests
work fine. I also worked a bit with the VM and couldn't observe other
problems. The clipboard works well.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Martin Polák

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

In reply to this post by Lukas Renggli

Hi,
I have tested Squeak 64_32 5.2b1.app with Pharo 1.0rc and tests from
my projects (mostly Seaside 2.8 proj.) were green. Input of Czech
accented characters works fine. Only problem I had, that I wasn't able
to quit VM with Cmd+Q.

Regards,
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David T. Lewis

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

In reply to this post by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 01:52:07PM +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

> Hi John! I have just download the vm and played for a while. I have a good
> news and a bad one.
>
> The good news is that the bug of the double copy past seems to be gone away.
> Maybe because what you said about "lack mac menu integration". I should
> check because if then, when you do that, I have the double paste bug again,
> at least we know where it comes from :)
>
> The bad news is that FFI is not working, but it is ok as you said the only
> plugin you compile was FreeType and it seems to be working for me :)

FFI will not work on any 64-bit VM. Details here:

http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2008-May/001945.html

Dave

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Stéphane Ducasse

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:51 PM, David T. Lewis wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 01:52:07PM +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>> Hi John! I have just download the vm and played for a while. I have a good
>> news and a bad one.
>>
>> The good news is that the bug of the double copy past seems to be gone away.
>> Maybe because what you said about "lack mac menu integration". I should
>> check because if then, when you do that, I have the double paste bug again,
>> at least we know where it comes from :)
>>
>> The bad news is that FFI is not working, but it is ok as you said the only
>> plugin you compile was FreeType and it seems to be working for me :)
>
> FFI will not work on any 64-bit VM. Details here:
>
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2008-May/001945.html

Dave

Do you mean without your fixes?
BTW Do you know the status of alien on other platform than mac?

Stef
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David T. Lewis

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 08:58:41PM +0100, St?phane Ducasse wrote:

>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:51 PM, David T. Lewis wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 01:52:07PM +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> >> Hi John! I have just download the vm and played for a while. I have a good
> >> news and a bad one.
> >>
> >> The good news is that the bug of the double copy past seems to be gone away.
> >> Maybe because what you said about "lack mac menu integration". I should
> >> check because if then, when you do that, I have the double paste bug again,
> >> at least we know where it comes from :)
> >>
> >> The bad news is that FFI is not working, but it is ok as you said the only
> >> plugin you compile was FreeType and it seems to be working for me :)
> >
> > FFI will not work on any 64-bit VM. Details here:
> >
> > http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2008-May/001945.html
>
> Dave
>
> Do you mean without your fixes?
> BTW Do you know the status of alien on other platform than mac?

64-bit FFI will work on Unix and Windows with these fixes. I have not
tried Mac, but I expect that some work would be needed. The changes
are not trivial, and will affect the plugin, the VM itself, and the
Pharo/Squeak images.

The next big fix on our VM-team "to-do list" is to get sound working
on 64-bit platforms, and FFI will come after that.

I do not know the status of alien now, but my understanding is that
it is limited to intel processors and 32-bit platforms. My guess is
that it would be good to fix the old FFI first because those changes
would likely have an impact on alien also. But I do not know much
about alien, so I am not the best person to say.

Dave

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Stéphane Ducasse

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

Hi

I asked abotu alien because at Amsterdam eliot used bird names to refer to FFI
implementation. So I was thinking that building on top of Alien was a move into the future.
May be you should talk with eliot.

Stef

>
> 64-bit FFI will work on Unix and Windows with these fixes. I have not
> tried Mac, but I expect that some work would be needed. The changes
> are not trivial, and will affect the plugin, the VM itself, and the
> Pharo/Squeak images.
>
> The next big fix on our VM-team "to-do list" is to get sound working
> on 64-bit platforms, and FFI will come after that.
>
> I do not know the status of alien now, but my understanding is that
> it is limited to intel processors and 32-bit platforms. My guess is
> that it would be good to fix the old FFI first because those changes
> would likely have an impact on alien also. But I do not know much
> about alien, so I am not the best person to say.
>
> Dave
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Mariano Martinez Peck

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

John: Another problem I found is that I cannot open more than one image at the same time with this VM. Is this expected?

Cheers

Mariano

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi

I asked abotu alien because at Amsterdam eliot used bird names to refer to FFI
implementation. So I was thinking that building on top of Alien was a move into the future.
May be you should talk with eliot.

Stef

>
> 64-bit FFI will work on Unix and Windows with these fixes. I have not
> tried Mac, but I expect that some work would be needed. The changes
> are not trivial, and will affect the plugin, the VM itself, and the
> Pharo/Squeak images.
>
> The next big fix on our VM-team "to-do list" is to get sound working
> on 64-bit platforms, and FFI will come after that.
>
> I do not know the status of alien now, but my understanding is that
> it is limited to intel processors and 32-bit platforms. My guess is
> that it would be good to fix the old FFI first because those changes
> would likely have an impact on alien also. But I do not know much
> about alien, so I am not the best person to say.
>
> Dave
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Nicolas Cellier

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

Hi John,

I noticed that control + arrow does not work in text editors (it used
to skip to next/previous word)

Nicolas

2010/1/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:

> John: Another problem I found is that I cannot open more than one image at
> the same time with this VM. Is this expected?
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I asked abotu alien because at Amsterdam eliot used bird names to refer to
>> FFI
>> implementation. So I was thinking that building on top of Alien was a move
>> into the future.
>> May be you should talk with eliot.
>>
>> Stef
>> >
>> > 64-bit FFI will work on Unix and Windows with these fixes. I have not
>> > tried Mac, but I expect that some work would be needed. The changes
>> > are not trivial, and will affect the plugin, the VM itself, and the
>> > Pharo/Squeak images.
>> >
>> > The next big fix on our VM-team "to-do list" is to get sound working
>> > on 64-bit platforms, and FFI will come after that.
>> >
>> > I do not know the status of alien now, but my understanding is that
>> > it is limited to intel processors and 32-bit platforms. My guess is
>> > that it would be good to fix the old FFI first because those changes
>> > would likely have an impact on alien also. But I do not know much
>> > about alien, so I am not the best person to say.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
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johnmci

Re: [Seaside] Mac VM 5.2b1 ships

That's a bug, let me see about fixing it tonight

On 2010-01-05, at 4:49 AM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I noticed that control + arrow does not work in text editors (it used
> to skip to next/previous word)
>
> Nicolas

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