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Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Stephane Ducasse-3
Hi

I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.

 XMLParser
 XMLParserHTML
 XMLParserStAX
 XMLSupport
 XMLWriter
 XPath

 I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
Probably.
Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.

I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
we can load everything and run the tests.
So let me know.

Stef

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2
I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)

 [hidden email]
 [hidden email]

I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...

What does not work for you ?

Sven

> On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
> about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
>
> XMLParser
> XMLParserHTML
> XMLParserStAX
> XMLSupport
> XMLWriter
> XPath
>
> I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
> Probably.
> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
> I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
> not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
> yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
>
> I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
> we can load everything and run the tests.
> So let me know.
>
> Stef
>


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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Peter Uhnak
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Hi Stef,

XMLParser is maintained by monty (I've CCed him).

> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.

I'd be happy to do that (including preserving the history), unless monty wants to do it themselves.

Peter

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39 AM Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi

I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.

 XMLParser
 XMLParserHTML
 XMLParserStAX
 XMLSupport
 XMLWriter
 XPath

 I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
Probably.
Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.

I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
we can load everything and run the tests.
So let me know.

Stef

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Stephane Ducasse-3
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Hi Sven

SmalltalkHub is dying. And we will turn it readonly by January.
Esteban has something else to do that to take care of it. It is a legacy.
We are about to announce that we cannot create account and projects anymore.
We are waiting to do that after the mooc.
Now you want to use Squeaksource or SS3 I do not want.
I want to use github and I guess that I do not have to explain why for real.

Stef

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:27 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)
>
>  [hidden email]
>  [hidden email]
>
> I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...
>
> What does not work for you ?
>
> Sven
>
> > On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
> > about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
> >
> > XMLParser
> > XMLParserHTML
> > XMLParserStAX
> > XMLSupport
> > XMLWriter
> > XPath
> >
> > I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
> > Probably.
> > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
> > I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
> > not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
> > yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
> >
> > I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
> > we can load everything and run the tests.
> > So let me know.
> >
> > Stef
> >
>
>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Stephane Ducasse-3
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Please it would be super nice.
Once this is done, I would like to update the scraping booklet to use
github version.

Stef
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:19 PM Peter Uhnak <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Stef,
>
> XMLParser is maintained by monty (I've CCed him).
>
> > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
>
> I'd be happy to do that (including preserving the history), unless monty wants to do it themselves.
>
> Peter
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39 AM Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
>> about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
>>
>>  XMLParser
>>  XMLParserHTML
>>  XMLParserStAX
>>  XMLSupport
>>  XMLWriter
>>  XPath
>>
>>  I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
>> Probably.
>> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
>> I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
>> not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
>> yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
>>
>> I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
>> we can load everything and run the tests.
>> So let me know.
>>
>> Stef
>>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

monty-3
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Again, for the record, I have no idea who "monty kamath" (monthkamath@gmailcom) is. Do not send any inquiries to him about those projects.
I am the principal maintainer of those projects, but any PharoExtras dev can contribute. And the blog below (which I plan on updating) provides additional information on them.
___
montyos.wordpress.com

> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 5:26 AM
> From: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: monty <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
>
> I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)
>
>  [hidden email]
>  [hidden email]
>
> I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...
>
> What does not work for you ?
>
> Sven
>
> > On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
> > about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
> >
> > XMLParser
> > XMLParserHTML
> > XMLParserStAX
> > XMLSupport
> > XMLWriter
> > XPath
> >
> > I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
> > Probably.
> > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
> > I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
> > not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
> > yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
> >
> > I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
> > we can load everything and run the tests.
> > So let me know.
> >
> > Stef
> >
>
>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

monty-3
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That would be appreciated, if you can do it and preserve the history.
But you also need:
PharoExtras/BitmapCharacterSet
PharoExtras/OrderPreservingDictionary
 
___
montyos.wordpress.com
 
 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:18 AM
From: "Peter Uhnak" <[hidden email]>
To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
Cc: monty <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
Hi Stef,
 
XMLParser is maintained by monty (I've CCed him).
 
> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
 
I'd be happy to do that (including preserving the history), unless monty wants to do it themselves.
 
Peter
 
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39 AM Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi

I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.

 XMLParser
 XMLParserHTML
 XMLParserStAX
 XMLSupport
 XMLWriter
 XPath

 I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
Probably.
Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.

I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
we can load everything and run the tests.
So let me know.

Stef
 
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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

monty-3
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It would also prefer an SS3-based STHub, at least as an alternative to GitHub.
___
montyos.wordpress.com


> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:43 AM
> From: "Stephane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
>
> Hi Sven
>
> SmalltalkHub is dying. And we will turn it readonly by January.
> Esteban has something else to do that to take care of it. It is a legacy.
> We are about to announce that we cannot create account and projects anymore.
> We are waiting to do that after the mooc.
> Now you want to use Squeaksource or SS3 I do not want.
> I want to use github and I guess that I do not have to explain why for real.
>
> Stef
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:27 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)
> >
> >  [hidden email]
> >
> > I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...
> >
> > What does not work for you ?
> >
> > Sven
> >
> > > On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
> > > about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
> > >
> > > XMLParser
> > > XMLParserHTML
> > > XMLParserStAX
> > > XMLSupport
> > > XMLWriter
> > > XPath
> > >
> > > I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
> > > Probably.
> > > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
> > > I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
> > > not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
> > > yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
> > >
> > > I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
> > > we can load everything and run the tests.
> > > So let me know.
> > >
> > > Stef
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Stephane Ducasse-3
In reply to this post by monty-3
Hi Peter

If you can go ahead please. I do not remember if I started to migrate
PharoExtras/BitmapCharacterSet
PharoExtras/OrderPreservingDictionary

Now I suggested to Cyril to create a ston file that we archive with
all the mappings
that we need. So this way we will avoid that every body has to find
all the bindings
for jb jba jean-baptiste anrut jean-baptiste arnaud....

Stef

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM monty <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> That would be appreciated, if you can do it and preserve the history.
> But you also need:
> PharoExtras/BitmapCharacterSet
> PharoExtras/OrderPreservingDictionary
>
> ___
> montyos.wordpress.com
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:18 AM
> From: "Peter Uhnak" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: monty <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
> Hi Stef,
>
> XMLParser is maintained by monty (I've CCed him).
>
> > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
>
> I'd be happy to do that (including preserving the history), unless monty wants to do it themselves.
>
> Peter
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:39 AM Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
>> about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
>>
>>  XMLParser
>>  XMLParserHTML
>>  XMLParserStAX
>>  XMLSupport
>>  XMLWriter
>>  XPath
>>
>>  I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
>> Probably.
>> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
>> I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
>> not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
>> yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
>>
>> I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
>> we can load everything and run the tests.
>> So let me know.
>>
>> Stef
>>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

Stephane Ducasse-3
In reply to this post by monty-3
Hi monty

I ****really**** think that we should move to github.
I mean really. Let us use a pro VCS - I do not like much git but
Iceberg improves the
feeling.

Stef
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:28 AM monty <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> It would also prefer an SS3-based STHub, at least as an alternative to GitHub.
> ___
> montyos.wordpress.com
>
>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:43 AM
> > From: "Stephane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
> > To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
> >
> > Hi Sven
> >
> > SmalltalkHub is dying. And we will turn it readonly by January.
> > Esteban has something else to do that to take care of it. It is a legacy.
> > We are about to announce that we cannot create account and projects anymore.
> > We are waiting to do that after the mooc.
> > Now you want to use Squeaksource or SS3 I do not want.
> > I want to use github and I guess that I do not have to explain why for real.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:27 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)
> > >
> > >  [hidden email]
> > >
> > > I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...
> > >
> > > What does not work for you ?
> > >
> > > Sven
> > >
> > > > On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
> > > > about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
> > > >
> > > > XMLParser
> > > > XMLParserHTML
> > > > XMLParserStAX
> > > > XMLSupport
> > > > XMLWriter
> > > > XPath
> > > >
> > > > I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
> > > > Probably.
> > > > Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
> > > > I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
> > > > not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
> > > > yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
> > > >
> > > > I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
> > > > we can load everything and run the tests.
> > > > So let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Stef
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/

EstebanLM
Hi,

> On 5 Oct 2018, at 19:03, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi monty
>
> I ****really**** think that we should move to github.
> I mean really. Let us use a pro VCS - I do not like much git but
> Iceberg improves the
> feeling.

It is not just that is a modern vcs tool.
I already talked a lot about the technical advantages of using git.

But let me put the accent now in some “non technical” reasons:
- Imagine if we migrate to github all the projects at sthub, ss, ss3, etc… There are thousands of projects there (yes, many od them are dead code, but is the same about most of the projects on GitHub too): we will be making something to help re-place Smalltalk in the map (is not of course ensured, but is a small contribution to gain a visibility we do not have now.
- you know a lot of companies look at the GitHub profiles of applicants these days, to see how they work on open source projects, etc. Which means having GitHub exposure will also help people willing to start with Pharo (or Smalltalk in general)  and do not do it because that will not help them to get a job.

One important reason why we selected GitHub and not another provider (personally I prefer GitLab, for example) is precisely that: increase visibility and lower the artificial barriers to adopt Pharo.And of course, this is just a small thing among the huge amount of things to do, but that does not means is not an important one.

Esteban

>
> Stef
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:28 AM monty <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It would also prefer an SS3-based STHub, at least as an alternative to GitHub.
>> ___
>> montyos.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:43 AM
>>> From: "Stephane Ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Migrating XML support to github/PharoContributions/
>>>
>>> Hi Sven
>>>
>>> SmalltalkHub is dying. And we will turn it readonly by January.
>>> Esteban has something else to do that to take care of it. It is a legacy.
>>> We are about to announce that we cannot create account and projects anymore.
>>> We are waiting to do that after the mooc.
>>> Now you want to use Squeaksource or SS3 I do not want.
>>> I want to use github and I guess that I do not have to explain why for real.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:27 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think that would be monty, email addresses (CC-ed)
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>> I should note that he has been very good at maintaining the XML packages (the specs of which are super complex), and as far as I know, the code works under Pharo 7 ...
>>>>
>>>> What does not work for you ?
>>>>
>>>> Sven
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2018, at 10:38, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I contacted the maintainer (but I'm not sure in fact who it is :) )
>>>>> about the XML related packages in Pharo extras.
>>>>>
>>>>> XMLParser
>>>>> XMLParserHTML
>>>>> XMLParserStAX
>>>>> XMLSupport
>>>>> XMLWriter
>>>>> XPath
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not get any answer so may be I sent a mail to the wrong email address.
>>>>> Probably.
>>>>> Now the question still remains: who is planning to migrate the XML packages.
>>>>> I was planning to do it but I will not consider history because I do
>>>>> not know how to do it and I do not have the time to do it (sorry). And
>>>>> yes I work the weekends and this is bad and this is not even on Pharo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was planning to spend some time on the baseline and making sure that
>>>>> we can load everything and run the tests.
>>>>> So let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>