Mondrian: present and future

>  - having a small core embeddable in your application
>  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>  - exporting as PDF
>  - anti-aliasing
>
> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
>
> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>
> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>
> Let's render our dream!

>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues  
>> from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this  
>> visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains  
>> some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and  
>> usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
>>
>> Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I  
>> had with Doru and Stéphane today.
>> Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:
>> - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this  
>> is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>> - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer.  
>> Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The  
>> idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative  
>> and incremental way.
> this is a nice idea

>> - having a small core embeddable in your application
>> - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>> - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>> - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>> - exporting as PDF
>> - anti-aliasing
>>
>> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel  
>> necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are  
>> wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of  
>> rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
>>
>> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current  
>> version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>>
>> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
>> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>>
>> Let's render our dream!
>
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>>>> - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this  
>>>> is a
>>>> very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>>>> - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer.  
>>>> Layers
>>>> could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is  
>>>> to enable
>>>> the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental  
>>>> way.
>>>
>>> this is a nice idea
>>
>> Thanks :)
>
> Fun to hear that, because the initial Mondrian code I wrote for
> Squeak/Pharo had layers.

>>> Also an efficient spring layout with edges
>>> that automatically avoid nodes and that are optimized for minimal
>>> crossings was implemented by Julien Fierz and part of the code at  
>>> some
>>> point in time.
>>
>> I did not know this one.
>
> Julien used it in his back-in-time debugger to visualize flow of data
> in a (potentially large) graph of objects.

>>>> Also an efficient spring layout with edges
>>>> that automatically avoid nodes and that are optimized for minimal
>>>> crossings was implemented by Julien Fierz and part of the code at some
>>>> point in time.
>>>
>>> I did not know this one.
>>
>> Julien used it in his back-in-time debugger to visualize flow of data
>> in a (potentially large) graph of objects.
>
> I knew about the fisheye view layout for trees, but I did not know about the
> minimal crossing algorithm. Do you have more details?

>>>>> Also an efficient spring layout with edges
>>>>> that automatically avoid nodes and that are optimized for minimal
>>>>> crossings was implemented by Julien Fierz and part of the code  
>>>>> at some
>>>>> point in time.
>>>>
>>>> I did not know this one.
>>>
>>> Julien used it in his back-in-time debugger to visualize flow of  
>>> data
>>> in a (potentially large) graph of objects.
>>
>> I knew about the fisheye view layout for trees, but I did not know  
>> about the
>> minimal crossing algorithm. Do you have more details?
>
> The fisheye layout was not using Mondrian, also because he had some
> animations on it.
>
> Mondrian was used in the context and receiver inspector to visualize
> the relationship between the objects.
>
> The layout was based on GraphViz.
>
>>> Also the original Squeak/Pharo code had anti-aliasing.
>>
>> I think that Alex wanted to say to implement anti-aliasing fast.
>
> I doubt that you can get it any faster with the technology built into
> Pharo, because in the end the drawing works through primitives and the
> aliasing is just a flag that is set. Maybe something based on Cairo or
> OpenGL would be faster?

> Hi All,
>
> Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern,
> Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for
> quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView)
> it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
>
> Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with
> Doru and Stéphane today.
> Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:
>  - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very
> simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>  - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers
> could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable
> the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way.
>  - having a small core embeddable in your application
>  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>  - exporting as PDF
>  - anti-aliasing
>
> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary
> to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome
> is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool
> visualization engine.
>
> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by
> fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>
> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>
> Let's render our dream!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
> NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post.
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> HI Alexandre, what is the current status of Mondrian on Squeak?  I've
> always been intrigued by Mondrian, what would be the best approach for
> getting it going on Squeak?
>
> I am mostly interested using Mondrians rendering and input-event
> handling inside my own widgets, not OB or other windowing tools.  How
> hard would it be to extricate just the Form-drawing and
> input-capability of the Mondrian core from the OB window widgetry that
> seems to be included in the package (at least, the last time I
> looked)?
>
> - Chris
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel  
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues  
>> from Bern,
>> Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization  
>> engine for
>> quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g.,  
>> popupView)
>> it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
>>
>> Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I  
>> had with
>> Doru and Stéphane today.
>> Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:
>>  - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this  
>> is a very
>> simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>>  - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer.  
>> Layers
>> could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is  
>> to enable
>> the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way.
>>  - having a small core embeddable in your application
>>  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>>  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>>  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>>  - exporting as PDF
>>  - anti-aliasing
>>
>> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel  
>> necessary
>> to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted.  
>> Using Rome
>> is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool
>> visualization engine.
>>
>> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current  
>> version by
>> fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>>
>> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
>> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>>
>> Let's render our dream!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post.
>> --
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel  
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues  
>> from Bern,
>> Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization  
>> engine for
>> quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g.,  
>> popupView)
>> it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
>>
>> Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I  
>> had with
>> Doru and Stéphane today.
>> Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:
>>  - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this  
>> is a very
>> simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>>  - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer.  
>> Layers
>> could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is  
>> to enable
>> the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way.
>>  - having a small core embeddable in your application
>>  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>>  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>>  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>>  - exporting as PDF
>>  - anti-aliasing
>>
>> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel  
>> necessary
>> to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted.  
>> Using Rome
>> is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool
>> visualization engine.
>>
>> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current  
>> version by
>> fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>>
>> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
>> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>>
>> Let's render our dream!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>> NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post.
>> --
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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> Hi Chris,
>
> I haven't recently tried to install Mondrian on Squeak. If it does not work,
> no much should be missing I believe. There is nothing in Pharo which is a
> crucial requirement. If you wish to see Mondrian on Squeak, then I can help
> to make it work.
>
>> I am mostly interested using Mondrians rendering and input-event
>> handling inside my own widgets, not OB or other windowing tools.  How
>> hard would it be to extricate just the Form-drawing and
>> input-capability of the Mondrian core from the OB window widgetry that
>> seems to be included in the package (at least, the last time I
>> looked)?
>
> As Doru said, there is no relationship between Mondrian and OB. Mondrian was
> dependend on OB some times ago principally for the text input lower pane.
> But not anymore.
> If you have any question on how to use Mondrian, please ask.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from
>>> Bern,
>>> Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for
>>> quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g.,
>>> popupView)
>>> it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
>>>
>>> Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with
>>> Doru and Stéphane today.
>>> Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:
>>>  - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a
>>> very
>>> simple and nice layout that produces amazing results
>>>  - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers
>>> could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to
>>> enable
>>> the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way.
>>>  - having a small core embeddable in your application
>>>  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts
>>>  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)
>>>  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2
>>>  - exporting as PDF
>>>  - anti-aliasing
>>>
>>> This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel
>>> necessary
>>> to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using
>>> Rome
>>> is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool
>>> visualization engine.
>>>
>>> Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version
>>> by
>>> fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
>>>
>>> Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/
>>> Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
>>>
>>> Let's render our dream!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>> NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post.
>>> --
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>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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