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I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? Why because the comments are not good. Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). So Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two allPropertySelectors is used allDeclaredProperties is used FamixCore class comments Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort I do not see the point. Stef _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. So, here is a proposal: Who wants to join the core team? Right now we have: • Stef • Me • Simon • Alex Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. Cheers, Doru On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi moosers > > I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? > Why because the comments are not good. > > Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something > > Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use > we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). > > > So > Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). > > Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two > > allPropertySelectors > is used > allDeclaredProperties > is used > > FamixCore class comments > > Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). > > But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort > I do not see the point. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Time is the key issue. I spent some time during my holidays working on metrics. Since I needed some of them, I started to look how they could be expressed in MooseChef (my goal would be to drop MooseCook, which has far too many methods to my taste) Anyway, I did a bit of work, but since I am back, I did not even find the time to commit it in Monticello ! :-( (same thing with the small XML issue I reported in august) Very stupid situation and very sad nicolas ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Tudor Girba" <[hidden email]> > À: "Moose-related development" <[hidden email]> > Envoyé: Lundi 19 Septembre 2011 11:07:46 > Objet: [Moose-dev] Re: Moose community call > Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not > allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which > actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more > comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. > > However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. > Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and > collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread > knowledge around, but only if people work with me. > > We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and > things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in > no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still > working on Moose-something. > > The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of > common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was > developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others > efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and > seeing that things work with each other. > > I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, > but these kind of collaborations should be broader. > > So, here is a proposal: > Who wants to join the core team? > > Right now we have: > • Stef > • Me > • Simon > • Alex > > Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on > actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. > > Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do > you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than > Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > Hi moosers > > > > I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? > > Why because the comments are not good. > > > > Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo > > easily) or we do something > > > > Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the > > table because there is little use > > we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean > > than nobody can learn from it). > > > > > > So > > Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two > > evenings on it for a month). > > > > Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two > > > > allPropertySelectors > > is used > > allDeclaredProperties > > is used > > > > FamixCore class comments > > > > Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially > > right now). > > > > But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new > > postdoc for moose and without a community effort > > I do not see the point. > > > > Stef > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction.
Yes. And your book is important. > However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. I will work on CAnalyzer. I started to make it up to date. I will continue next week. > So, here is a proposal: > Who wants to join the core team? > > Right now we have: > • Stef > • Me > • Simon > • Alex > > Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. > > Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. Hey! Working on Moose involves plenty of other things than commenting the core. I work more than 2h / week on Moose, however little coding on the core. Moose is used in my lectures. Angel's postdoc did not come up from nothing. More grants will come soon. I will revive CAnalyzer because of a case study we have to do here. I have no problem at commenting uncommented things that I use for this. Alexandre > > > > On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi moosers >> >> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >> Why because the comments are not good. >> >> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >> >> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >> >> >> So >> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >> >> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >> >> allPropertySelectors >> is used >> allDeclaredProperties >> is used >> >> FamixCore class comments >> >> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >> >> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >> I do not see the point. >> >> Stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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On 19 sept. 2011, at 11:07, Tudor Girba wrote:
Right now, I don't have the time nor the energy to focus on Moose core until we (in my company) have some tangible projects to work with. I'm still in the process of scouting around to see what kind of ideas raise some interest (not just the "that's cool" interest, more like "let's go in this direction", which is more difficult to achieve). -- Simon Denier _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Hi Simon,
On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:53, Simon Denier wrote: > > On 19 sept. 2011, at 11:07, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >> So, here is a proposal: >> Who wants to join the core team? >> >> Right now we have: >> • Stef >> • Me >> • Simon >> • Alex >> >> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >> >> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > > Right now, I don't have the time nor the energy to focus on Moose core until we (in my company) have some tangible projects to work with. I'm still in the process of scouting around to see what kind of ideas raise some interest (not just the "that's cool" interest, more like "let's go in this direction", which is more difficult to achieve). This is perfectly understandable. It's just that we need to make it clear who can do things at any moment :). I am happy that you are still pushing for Moose. Let us know if there is anything we can do to improve the situation. Cheers, Doru > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "What is more important: To be happy, or to make happy?" _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Hi Alex,
On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:13, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. > > Yes. And your book is important. > >> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. > > I will work on CAnalyzer. I started to make it up to date. I will continue next week. > >> So, here is a proposal: >> Who wants to join the core team? >> >> Right now we have: >> • Stef >> • Me >> • Simon >> • Alex >> >> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >> >> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > > Hey! Working on Moose involves plenty of other things than commenting the core. I work more than 2h / week on Moose, however little coding on the core. Moose is used in my lectures. Angel's postdoc did not come up from nothing. More grants will come soon. It seems that there was a misunderstanding :)I did not say 2h for commenting and I was certainly not trying to diminish your efforts. I said 2 hours for investing in the infrastructure that goes beyond Mondrian (although it is already great to know that Mondrian is taken care of :)). It is important to make transparent what people are willing to invest and then we do it. That is all. In particular we need to work together to form a coherent image of the inner architecture of Moose. I mean, I have an idea of what I want it to be, but I would like to get more people around it so that we can spread the knowledge and limit the truck factor. Btw, welcome Angel :). > I will revive CAnalyzer because of a case study we have to do here. I have no problem at commenting uncommented things that I use for this. CAnalyzer is welcome. It would be great to have a step-by-step instructions of how to use it on different platforms (right now, it is difficult to figure it out). Cheers, Doru > Alexandre > > > > >> >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Hi moosers >>> >>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>> Why because the comments are not good. >>> >>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>> >>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>> >>> >>> So >>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>> >>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>> >>> allPropertySelectors >>> is used >>> allDeclaredProperties >>> is used >>> >>> FamixCore class comments >>> >>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>> >>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>> I do not see the point. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. > > However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. > > We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. > > The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. > > I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. > > So, here is a proposal: > Who wants to join the core team? > > Right now we have: > • Stef > • Me > • Simon > • Alex > > Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. ok count me in > > Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi moosers >> >> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >> Why because the comments are not good. >> >> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >> >> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >> >> >> So >> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >> >> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >> >> allPropertySelectors >> is used >> allDeclaredProperties >> is used >> >> FamixCore class comments >> >> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >> >> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >> I do not see the point. >> >> Stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Hello all, For now, I didn't not contribute anything big to moose except that: - VerveineSharp that parses most of the C# language entities (I need to create a page for that)
- some metrics for a paper - famix exporter (with stef)... But now the situation has changed as we are working on doing some industrial projects with moose which requires a deep understanding of technologies around moose and its infrastructure ... so now:
1. I need to work on Famix and fame to understand the infrastructure ... 2. I'll need to work on glmaour/mondrian because we need to prepare something for a pilot project ...
3. we need to do other industrial projects .. from now on, most of my time will be spent around moose... I'll be slow in the beginning as I am not so proficient in smalltalk but i hope that wont last for long ...
Usman On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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We will help you.
don't forget to read the chapter glamour petit parser Stef On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Usman Bhatti wrote: > Hello all, > > For now, I didn't not contribute anything big to moose except that: > - VerveineSharp that parses most of the C# language entities (I need to create a page for that) > - some metrics for a paper > - famix exporter (with stef)... > > But now the situation has changed as we are working on doing some industrial projects with moose which requires a deep understanding of technologies around moose and its infrastructure ... so now: > > 1. I need to work on Famix and fame to understand the infrastructure ... > 2. I'll need to work on glmaour/mondrian because we need to prepare something for a pilot project ... > 3. we need to do other industrial projects .. > > from now on, most of my time will be spent around moose... I'll be slow in the beginning as I am not so proficient in smalltalk but i hope that wont last for long ... > > Usman > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. > > > > However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. > > > > We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. > > > > The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. > > > > I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. > > > > So, here is a proposal: > > Who wants to join the core team? > > > > Right now we have: > > • Stef > > • Me > > • Simon > > • Alex > > > > Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. > > ok count me in > > > > > Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > > > On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > >> Hi moosers > >> > >> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? > >> Why because the comments are not good. > >> > >> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something > >> > >> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use > >> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). > >> > >> > >> So > >> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). > >> > >> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two > >> > >> allPropertySelectors > >> is used > >> allDeclaredProperties > >> is used > >> > >> FamixCore class comments > >> > >> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). > >> > >> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort > >> I do not see the point. > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Hi all,
I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. Cheers, Jannik On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: > Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. > > However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. > > We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. > > The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. > > I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. > > So, here is a proposal: > Who wants to join the core team? > > Right now we have: > • Stef > • Me > • Simon > • Alex > > Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. > > Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi moosers >> >> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >> Why because the comments are not good. >> >> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >> >> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >> >> >> So >> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >> >> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >> >> allPropertySelectors >> is used >> allDeclaredProperties >> is used >> >> FamixCore class comments >> >> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >> >> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >> I do not see the point. >> >> Stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev --- Jannik Laval _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks.
Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into moose. - the one that shows incoming and outgoing references - comment better the class - I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package: - fix the property.... So fixing these ones would be good. Stef On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote: > Hi all, > > I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. > If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. > > Cheers, > Jannik > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. >> >> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. >> >> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. >> >> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. >> >> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. >> >> So, here is a proposal: >> Who wants to join the core team? >> >> Right now we have: >> • Stef >> • Me >> • Simon >> • Alex >> >> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >> >> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> Hi moosers >>> >>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>> Why because the comments are not good. >>> >>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>> >>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>> >>> >>> So >>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>> >>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>> >>> allPropertySelectors >>> is used >>> allDeclaredProperties >>> is used >>> >>> FamixCore class comments >>> >>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>> >>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>> I do not see the point. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > --- > Jannik Laval > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks.
Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and then ask questions if problems arise. I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care. In case you have doubts, let us discuss. Cheers, Doru On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks. > > Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into moose. > - the one that shows incoming and outgoing references > - comment better the class > - I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package: > - fix the property.... > > So fixing these ones would be good. > Stef > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. >> If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. >> >> Cheers, >> Jannik >> >> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. >>> >>> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. >>> >>> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. >>> >>> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. >>> >>> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. >>> >>> So, here is a proposal: >>> Who wants to join the core team? >>> >>> Right now we have: >>> • Stef >>> • Me >>> • Simon >>> • Alex >>> >>> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >>> >>> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> Hi moosers >>>> >>>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>>> Why because the comments are not good. >>>> >>>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>>> >>>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>>> >>>> >>>> So >>>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>>> >>>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>>> >>>> allPropertySelectors >>>> is used >>>> allDeclaredProperties >>>> is used >>>> >>>> FamixCore class comments >>>> >>>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>>> >>>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>>> I do not see the point. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> --- >> Jannik Laval >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- www.tudorgirba.com "Quality cannot be an afterthought." _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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yes but a priority list and focus is important.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks. > > Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and then ask questions if problems arise. > > I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care. In case you have doubts, let us discuss. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks. >> >> Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into moose. >> - the one that shows incoming and outgoing references >> - comment better the class >> - I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package: >> - fix the property.... >> >> So fixing these ones would be good. >> Stef >> >> On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. >>> If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jannik >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. >>>> >>>> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. >>>> >>>> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. >>>> >>>> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. >>>> >>>> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. >>>> >>>> So, here is a proposal: >>>> Who wants to join the core team? >>>> >>>> Right now we have: >>>> • Stef >>>> • Me >>>> • Simon >>>> • Alex >>>> >>>> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >>>> >>>> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi moosers >>>>> >>>>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>>>> Why because the comments are not good. >>>>> >>>>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>>>> >>>>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>>>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So >>>>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>>>> >>>>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>>>> >>>>> allPropertySelectors >>>>> is used >>>>> allDeclaredProperties >>>>> is used >>>>> >>>>> FamixCore class comments >>>>> >>>>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>>>> >>>>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>>>> I do not see the point. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> --- >>> Jannik Laval >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Quality cannot be an afterthought." > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Hi Doru,
I know the bug tracker :), and I will use it. My question was because there is no priority on the issues. Cheers, Jannik On Sep 20, 2011, at 21:50 , Tudor Girba wrote: > Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks. > > Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and then ask questions if problems arise. > > I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care. In case you have doubts, let us discuss. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks. >> >> Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into moose. >> - the one that shows incoming and outgoing references >> - comment better the class >> - I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package: >> - fix the property.... >> >> So fixing these ones would be good. >> Stef >> >> On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. >>> If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jannik >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: >>> >>>> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. >>>> >>>> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. >>>> >>>> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. >>>> >>>> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. >>>> >>>> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. >>>> >>>> So, here is a proposal: >>>> Who wants to join the core team? >>>> >>>> Right now we have: >>>> • Stef >>>> • Me >>>> • Simon >>>> • Alex >>>> >>>> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >>>> >>>> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi moosers >>>>> >>>>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>>>> Why because the comments are not good. >>>>> >>>>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>>>> >>>>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>>>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So >>>>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>>>> >>>>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>>>> >>>>> allPropertySelectors >>>>> is used >>>>> allDeclaredProperties >>>>> is used >>>>> >>>>> FamixCore class comments >>>>> >>>>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>>>> >>>>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>>>> I do not see the point. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> --- >>> Jannik Laval >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Quality cannot be an afterthought." > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev --- Jannik Laval _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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I'm in too, this week away for a workshop in Milano but starting from next week i will start to regularrily allocate time to the Moose Core. I will check the tracker too as you suggested to Jannik.
Cheers, Fabrizio On 21 Sep 2011, at 08:56, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > yes but a priority list and focus is important. > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Wait. We have a bug tracker for tasks. >> >> Please visit these, pick one, enter a comment so that we know you are working on it, and then ask questions if problems arise. >> >> I would also want to review changes to the Core. This is a sensible area that needs care. In case you have doubts, let us discuss. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On 20 Sep 2011, at 21:24, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> yes this is a good idea to use one afternoon to fix some moose tasks. >>> >>> Jannik I would like to get the visualization cyrille did and that was not loaded into moose. >>> - the one that shows incoming and outgoing references >>> - comment better the class >>> - I want to finish the meta model exporter to take into account package: >>> - fix the property.... >>> >>> So fixing these ones would be good. >>> Stef >>> >>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:40 PM, jannik.laval wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I am in, too. I want to work on Moose friday afternoon. >>>> If you have some important tasks, I can take a look this friday. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jannik >>>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:07 , Tudor Girba wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please, let's put ultimatums aside. The issue is not allPropertySelectors, and not even problems in the core (which actually are not that many). It would be great indeed to have more comments, and I would welcome any effort in this direction. >>>>> >>>>> However, the main issue is collaboration around the infrastructure. Everyone is working in his own corner with very little integration and collaboration happening. I can coordinate the work and spread knowledge around, but only if people work with me. >>>>> >>>>> We started to get this regular chats with the Cyrille and Andre, and things improved. But, then holidays came and we are again in no-communication land. I actually do not even know if someone is still working on Moose-something. >>>>> >>>>> The reason I called for projects was to try to establish a sense of common goals, but it was clear that this is not desired. Moose was developed by relentlessly integrating and on building on each others efforts. Right now I am the only one investing in maintaining core and seeing that things work with each other. >>>>> >>>>> I work well with Alex who does a great job of maintaining Mondrian, but these kind of collaborations should be broader. >>>>> >>>>> So, here is a proposal: >>>>> Who wants to join the core team? >>>>> >>>>> Right now we have: >>>>> • Stef >>>>> • Me >>>>> • Simon >>>>> • Alex >>>>> >>>>> Joining the core team would imply investing at least 2h / week on actually working on the infrastructure, and on cleaning it. >>>>> >>>>> Simon, I am not sure if you are interested in this anymore. Stef, do you have the time to do it? Alex, do you want to work on more than Mondrian? I certainly will continue. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Sep 2011, at 09:36, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi moosers >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to know if you are interested in Moose? >>>>>> Why because the comments are not good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now this is simple either we let moose decay (I can focus on Pharo easily) or we do something >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I should know what you can do and energy you can put on the table because there is little use >>>>>> we get a new engineer and postdoc (because if the core is not clean than nobody can learn from it). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So >>>>>> Plan A- build a roadmap and do it (I can probably work every two evenings on it for a month). >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now (this evening we log on chat and we fix) these two >>>>>> >>>>>> allPropertySelectors >>>>>> is used >>>>>> allDeclaredProperties >>>>>> is used >>>>>> >>>>>> FamixCore class comments >>>>>> >>>>>> Plan B - I focus only on pharo (because I cannot do both especially right now). >>>>>> >>>>>> But I should know because we are hiring a new engineer and a new postdoc for moose and without a community effort >>>>>> I do not see the point. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Jannik Laval >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Quality cannot be an afterthought." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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