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More Squeak GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....

Janko Mivšek
Dear Squeakers,

Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
for now!

Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas

To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
template:

  Title:

  Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)

  Possible mentor: (if already known)

  Possible second mentor: (if already known)

  Description

  Technical Details

  Benefits to the Student

  Benefits to the Community

Best regards
Serge and Janko,
your this year GSoC admins


--
Janko Mivšek
Aida/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Server
http://www.aidaweb.si

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Re: More Squeak GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....

Bert Freudenberg
If we don't submit anything, we don't get to complain that ESUG didn't select Squeak projects ;) So please, send your ideas to Janko.

- Bert -

On 2013-03-26, at 16:18, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dear Squeakers,
>
> Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
> coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
> stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
> for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
> you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
> for now!
>
> Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas
>
> To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
> template:
>
> Title:
>
> Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
>
> Possible mentor: (if already known)
>
> Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>
> Description
>
> Technical Details
>
> Benefits to the Student
>
> Benefits to the Community
>
> Best regards
> Serge and Janko,
> your this year GSoC admins
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> Aida/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si
>


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Re: More Squeak GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....

Janko Mivšek
Bert, just to be clear, ESUG is not selecting the projects, mentors do!
Also Smalltalk GSoC is just under the ESUG umbrella, therefore
independent of ESUG.

But you are right, if you stay passive, others will decide about your
destiny. So, propose the projects, volunteer as mentors, encourage
students, only this way you'll influence the Smalltalk future your way.

Best regards
Janko

Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:31, piše Bert Freudenberg:

> If we don't submit anything, we don't get to complain that ESUG didn't select Squeak projects ;) So please, send your ideas to Janko.
>
> - Bert -
>
> On 2013-03-26, at 16:18, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Squeakers,
>>
>> Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
>> coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
>> stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
>> for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
>> you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
>> for now!
>>
>> Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas
>>
>> To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
>> template:
>>
>> Title:
>>
>> Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
>>
>> Possible mentor: (if already known)
>>
>> Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>>
>> Description
>>
>> Technical Details
>>
>> Benefits to the Student
>>
>> Benefits to the Community
>>
>> Best regards
>> Serge and Janko,
>> your this year GSoC admins
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> Aida/Web
>> Smalltalk Web Application Server
>> http://www.aidaweb.si
>>
>
>
>

--
Janko Mivšek
Svetovalec za informatiko
Eranova d.o.o.
Ljubljana, Slovenija
www.eranova.si
tel:  01 514 22 55
faks: 01 514 22 56
gsm: 031 674 565

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Squeak GSoC ideas wanted: "Squeak Web browser Plugin"

Brad Fuller-3
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Here's an idea. If you think this is a viable idea for students, please enhance what I have already entered.

========

   Title:
Squeak Web browser Plugin for Major Browsers

   Level:
Intermediate to Advanced

   Possible mentor: (if already known)

   Possible second mentor: (if already known)

   Description:
The goal is to make Squeak accessible within major web browsers.
Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome/Chromium are two open-source
browsers that should be targeted/tested. Safari, IE and Opera would be
nice to have, and strongly encouraged.

   Technical Details:
The current plugin code could be a good start.

   Benefits to the Student:
Learn or enhance knowledge of web browser plugins for major browsers.
Requires student to learn techniques to interface two different products
(squeak and a web browser) - each that maintain their own unique characteristics.
Helps student be more attractive for Internet-based technical employment.
 
   Benefits to the Community
A Squeak plugin breaks the Page-Bound barrier of traditional HTML/JS/PHP generated content.
Current Squeak applications could be easily adapted and utilized by users almost immediately.
Allows new web apps to be created using powerful built-in Squeak tools.
Could elevate the marketability of Squeak and may proliferate it's use.
   


========



On 3/26/2013 4:40 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:

> Dear Squeakers,
>
> Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
> coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
> stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
> for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
> you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
> for now!
>
> Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas
>
> To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
> template:
>
>    Title:
>
>    Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
>
>    Possible mentor: (if already known)
>
>    Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>
>    Description
>
>    Technical Details
>
>    Benefits to the Student
>
>    Benefits to the Community
>
> Best regards
> Serge and Janko,
> your this year GSoC admins
>
>


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Re: Squeak GSoC ideas wanted: "Squeak Web browser Plugin"

Janko Mivšek
Hi Brad,

I added it to the ideas but I'm questioning the whole plugin idea
because nowadays everyone is running away of any plugin as fast as
possible. From Flash, Java plugins included. Also, any plugin must
nowadays support 5 different browsers on 3 different OSes + add mobile
ones and you have a mess unmaintainable even for biggest players like
Adobe or Oracle for Java.

Best regards
Janko

Dne 26. 03. 2013 17:46, piše Brad Fuller:

> Here's an idea. If you think this is a viable idea for students, please
> enhance what I have already entered.
>
> ========
>
>   Title:
> Squeak Web browser Plugin for Major Browsers
>
>   Level:
> Intermediate to Advanced
>
>   Possible mentor: (if already known)
>
>   Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>
>   Description:
> The goal is to make Squeak accessible within major web browsers.
> Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome/Chromium are two open-source
> browsers that should be targeted/tested. Safari, IE and Opera would be
> nice to have, and strongly encouraged.
>
>   Technical Details:
> The current plugin code could be a good start.
>
>   Benefits to the Student:
> Learn or enhance knowledge of web browser plugins for major browsers.
> Requires student to learn techniques to interface two different products
> (squeak and a web browser) - each that maintain their own unique
> characteristics.
> Helps student be more attractive for Internet-based technical employment.
>  
>   Benefits to the Community
> A Squeak plugin breaks the Page-Bound barrier of traditional HTML/JS/PHP
> generated content.
> Current Squeak applications could be easily adapted and utilized by
> users almost immediately.
> Allows new web apps to be created using powerful built-in Squeak tools.
> Could elevate the marketability of Squeak and may proliferate it's use.
>  
>
> ========
>
>
>
> On 3/26/2013 4:40 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
>> Dear Squeakers,
>>
>> Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
>> coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
>> stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
>> for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
>> you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
>> for now!
>>
>> Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas
>>
>> To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
>> template:
>>
>>    Title:
>>
>>    Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
>>
>>    Possible mentor: (if already known)
>>
>>    Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>>
>>    Description
>>
>>    Technical Details
>>
>>    Benefits to the Student
>>
>>    Benefits to the Community
>>
>> Best regards
>> Serge and Janko,
>> your this year GSoC admins
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
Janko Mivšek
Svetovalec za informatiko
Eranova d.o.o.
Ljubljana, Slovenija
www.eranova.si
tel:  01 514 22 55
faks: 01 514 22 56
gsm: 031 674 565

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Re: More Squeak GSoC ideas wanted, 3 days left ....

radoslav hodnicak
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Where can one see results from the previous years? I know there have been interesting GSOC projects in the past but I have no idea if they actually materialized.

rado

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
Bert, just to be clear, ESUG is not selecting the projects, mentors do!
Also Smalltalk GSoC is just under the ESUG umbrella, therefore
independent of ESUG.

But you are right, if you stay passive, others will decide about your
destiny. So, propose the projects, volunteer as mentors, encourage
students, only this way you'll influence the Smalltalk future your way.

Best regards
Janko

Dne <a href="tel:26.%2003.%202013%2016" value="+12603201316">26. 03. 2013 16:31, piše Bert Freudenberg:
> If we don't submit anything, we don't get to complain that ESUG didn't select Squeak projects ;) So please, send your ideas to Janko.
>
> - Bert -
>
> On 2013-03-26, at 16:18, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Squeakers,
>>
>> Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly
>> coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So,
>> stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting
>> for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students
>> you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea
>> for now!
>>
>> Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas
>>
>> To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea
>> template:
>>
>> Title:
>>
>> Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced)
>>
>> Possible mentor: (if already known)
>>
>> Possible second mentor: (if already known)
>>
>> Description
>>
>> Technical Details
>>
>> Benefits to the Student
>>
>> Benefits to the Community
>>
>> Best regards
>> Serge and Janko,
>> your this year GSoC admins
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> Aida/Web
>> Smalltalk Web Application Server
>> http://www.aidaweb.si
>>
>
>
>

--
Janko Mivšek
Svetovalec za informatiko
Eranova d.o.o.
Ljubljana, Slovenija
www.eranova.si
tel:  01 514 22 55
faks: 01 514 22 56
gsm: 031 674 565




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Squeak GSoC ideas wanted: "Squeak Web browser Plugin"

Brad Fuller-3
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Yes... I agree... perhaps its more of a business problem that needs to be addressed.
Maybe one that is fixed with proper technical implementation along with business solutions.

Ok, so what's the problem? Background argument: I think squeak is a _pretty_good_ platform for educational products (as I've mentioned). You can quickly develop product (if you know the capabilities of the classes well.) and it runs on multiple platforms on various versions of those platforms. Fantastic!

It isn't bullet proof (really, what is) I wish the multimedia capabilities were much more robust (I'll probably get hammered for saying that). There are other issues, but the main thing is trust. I haven't heard school boards, or IT departments (if you want to call them that) feeling good about the support, the security and the development structure around the platform. I've heard the opposite. Perhaps I'm totally wrong, and I'd like to be.

Some of that is because there isn't a company that stands behind and supports its applications --- because... well... there isn't any that I know of that are widespread.

What's the good news?
If you start researching the world for educational products you see an enormously wide range of markets and acceptance. Everybody is talking about 2.0 and 3.0 educational products. There are websites, foundations, companies, and mostly educational non-profit entities focused on new technology for learning.

So, why a "web browser plugin". Its clearly just to get around the IT department approval of running an app locally. If it's in the browser, and found to be relatively secure, it's usually accepted.


And, while I'm writing this, perhaps we just need a company out there that puts a stake in the ground and starts developing product, supporting it, to build trust in the community and industry to show that Squeak could be a great platform on which to build super product.

So, you're right. Unless it could be used to further the education of a CS student, I withdraw my proposal. Perhaps there is something that could be done in GSoC to further the security of Squeak and it's connection to the Internet?

brad

"Janko Mivšek" [hidden email] wrote:
Hi Brad,

I added it to the ideas but I'm questioning the whole plugin idea
because nowadays everyone is running away of any plugin as fast as
possible. From Flash, Java plugins included. Also, any plugin must
nowadays support 5 different browsers on 3 different OSes + add mobile
ones and you have a mess unmaintainable even for biggest players like
Adobe or Oracle for Java.


Best regards
Janko

Dne 26. 03. 2013 17:46, piše Brad Fuller:
Here's an idea. If you think this is a viable idea for students, please enhance what I have already entered. ======== Title: Squeak Web browser Plugin for Major Browsers Level: Intermediate to Advanced Possible mentor: (if already known) Possible second mentor: (if already known) Description: The goal is to make Squeak accessible within major web browsers. Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome/Chromium are two open-source browsers that should be targeted/tested. Safari, IE and Opera would be nice to have, and strongly encouraged. Technical Details: The current plugin code could be a good start. Benefits to the Student: Learn or enhance knowledge of web browser plugins for major browsers. Requires student to learn techniques to interface two different products (squeak and a web browser) - each that maintain their own unique characteristics. Helps student be more attractive for Internet-based technical employment. Benefits to the Community A Squeak plugin breaks the Page-Bound barrier of traditional HTML/JS/PHP generated content. Current Squeak applications could be easily adapted and utilized by users almost immediately. Allows new web apps to be created using powerful built-in Squeak tools. Could elevate the marketability of Squeak and may proliferate it's use. ======== On 3/26/2013 4:40 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
Dear Squeakers, Not much Squeak related ones between GSoC ideas, which are slowly coming, 14 so far, but this is way below the 30+ in previous years. So, stretch your brain, come with some more ideas, which will be interesting for potential students and of course useful for our community. Students you are again welcome to propose such idea by your own. One student idea for now! Ideas so far: http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas To propose an idea just respond to this post by fulfilling this idea template: Title: Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Possible mentor: (if already known) Possible second mentor: (if already known) Description Technical Details Benefits to the Student Benefits to the Community Best regards Serge and Janko, your this year GSoC admins
-- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565