Mouse buttons (was: Browser pane width adjustment)

>At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>"Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>
>>Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>
>Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>
>>
>>Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>
>Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>
>>
>>Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>
>Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>
>Ken
>
>>
>>Chris

> At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>> At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>> "Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>>
>>> Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>>
>> Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>>
>>>
>>> Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>>
>> Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>>
>>>
>>> Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>>
>> Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>> It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>
> Further:
>
> I did HandMorph showEvents: true.
>
> Programmed the Trackpad to send cntl-cmd-click, and I see in the little event window, mouseDown CMD CNTL red.
>
> If I hold cntl and cmd and click, I see mouseDown CMD CNTL red
> cmd and click gives mouseDown CMD blue
> option-click gives mouseDown yellow
> option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD yellow
> cntl-option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD red
> option gives mouseMove and nothing else except numbers change a bit.
>
> If I hold the cmd key, then click I see mouseDown CMD blue and the halos come up, if I put the cntl down while still holding the cmd and mousebutton, the event changes to mouseMove CMD CNTL blue and moving the mouse moves the Browser window.
>
> Does this give anyone some clues as to what is happening?
>
> MacOS X 10.6.5, fresh Squeak 4.2-10788 running on Cog.app 4.0.0

>On 14.12.2010, at 18:27, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>
>> At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>>> "Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>>>
>>>> Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>>>
>>> Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>>>
>>> Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>>>
>>> Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>>> It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>
>> Further:
>>
>> I did HandMorph showEvents: true.
>>
>> Programmed the Trackpad to send cntl-cmd-click, and I see in the little event window, mouseDown CMD CNTL red.
>>
>> If I hold cntl and cmd and click, I see mouseDown CMD CNTL red
>> cmd and click gives mouseDown CMD blue
>> option-click gives mouseDown yellow
>> option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD yellow
>> cntl-option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD red
>> option gives mouseMove and nothing else except numbers change a bit.
>>
>> If I hold the cmd key, then click I see mouseDown CMD blue and the halos come up, if I put the cntl down while still holding the cmd and mousebutton, the event changes to mouseMove CMD CNTL blue and moving the mouse moves the Browser window.
>>
>> Does this give anyone some clues as to what is happening?
>>
>> MacOS X 10.6.5, fresh Squeak 4.2-10788 running on Cog.app 4.0.0
>
>Try with an official VM.
>
>- Bert -

> At 6:37 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>> On 14.12.2010, at 18:27, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>>>> "Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>>>>
>>>> Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>>>>
>>>> Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>>>> It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Further:
>>>
>>> I did HandMorph showEvents: true.
>>>
>>> Programmed the Trackpad to send cntl-cmd-click, and I see in the little event window, mouseDown CMD CNTL red.
>>>
>>> If I hold cntl and cmd and click, I see mouseDown CMD CNTL red
>>> cmd and click gives mouseDown CMD blue
>>> option-click gives mouseDown yellow
>>> option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD yellow
>>> cntl-option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD red
>>> option gives mouseMove and nothing else except numbers change a bit.
>>>
>>> If I hold the cmd key, then click I see mouseDown CMD blue and the halos come up, if I put the cntl down while still holding the cmd and mousebutton, the event changes to mouseMove CMD CNTL blue and moving the mouse moves the Browser window.
>>>
>>> Does this give anyone some clues as to what is happening?
>>>
>>> MacOS X 10.6.5, fresh Squeak 4.2-10788 running on Cog.app 4.0.0
>>
>> Try with an official VM.
>>
>> - Bert -
>
> I tried with a fresh Squeak 4.2 10548 upgraded to 10788 running on Squeak 4.2.4beta1U.app from the Squeak4.1-mac.zip 4.1 release, and it doesn't seem to be any different. Did the tests before saving.
> cmd-leftclick shows mouseDown CMD blue
> cntl-cmd leftclick shows mouseDown CMD red

>On 14.12.2010, at 19:10, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>
>> At 6:37 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>> On 14.12.2010, at 18:27, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>>>>> "Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>>>>> It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Further:
>>>>
>>>> I did HandMorph showEvents: true.
>>>>
>>>> Programmed the Trackpad to send cntl-cmd-click, and I see in the little event window, mouseDown CMD CNTL red.
>>>>
>>>> If I hold cntl and cmd and click, I see mouseDown CMD CNTL red
>>>> cmd and click gives mouseDown CMD blue
>>>> option-click gives mouseDown yellow
>>>> option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD yellow
>>>> cntl-option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD red
>>>> option gives mouseMove and nothing else except numbers change a bit.
>>>>
>>>> If I hold the cmd key, then click I see mouseDown CMD blue and the halos come up, if I put the cntl down while still holding the cmd and mousebutton, the event changes to mouseMove CMD CNTL blue and moving the mouse moves the Browser window.
>>>>
>>>> Does this give anyone some clues as to what is happening?
>>>>
>>>> MacOS X 10.6.5, fresh Squeak 4.2-10788 running on Cog.app 4.0.0
>>>
>>> Try with an official VM.
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>
>> I tried with a fresh Squeak 4.2 10548 upgraded to 10788 running on Squeak 4.2.4beta1U.app from the Squeak4.1-mac.zip 4.1 release, and it doesn't seem to be any different. Did the tests before saving.
>> cmd-leftclick shows mouseDown CMD blue
>> cntl-cmd leftclick shows mouseDown CMD red
>
>Do *not* press cmd. Press the blue button directly. It's the middle or right button on your mouse. Make sure you do not run fancy mouse management software, or set it so it actually generates a middle-click event (Logitech Control Center is a known offender). You need to make sure your mouse actually works correctly because otherwise Squeak will not get the right events no matter how hard it tries.
>
>- Bert -

>At 7:28 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>On 14.12.2010, at 19:10, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> At 6:37 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>>> On 14.12.2010, at 18:27, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>>>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 12/14/10, Chris Cunnington apparently wrote:
>>>>>>> "Tried this, and it appears that the cntl is being ignored, just get the halos."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you then move your mouse back and forth, left and right at this point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, just get the Browser window with halos moving with the mouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Had you gone to SystemPreferences>>Mouse to activate yourself a Secondary Button?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and it gets thru to the image as cmd-click since by itself, it brings up the halos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stay with the tour, Ken!   :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, thx, I usually don't give up easily! :)
>>>>>> It's encouraging that apparently this works somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Further:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did HandMorph showEvents: true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Programmed the Trackpad to send cntl-cmd-click, and I see in the little event window, mouseDown CMD CNTL red.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I hold cntl and cmd and click, I see mouseDown CMD CNTL red
>>>>> cmd and click gives mouseDown CMD blue
>>>>> option-click gives mouseDown yellow
>>>>> option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD yellow
>>>>> cntl-option-cmd click gives mouseDown CMD red
>>>>> option gives mouseMove and nothing else except numbers change a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I hold the cmd key, then click I see mouseDown CMD blue and the halos come up, if I put the cntl down while still holding the cmd and mousebutton, the event changes to mouseMove CMD CNTL blue and moving the mouse moves the Browser window.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this give anyone some clues as to what is happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> MacOS X 10.6.5, fresh Squeak 4.2-10788 running on Cog.app 4.0.0
>>>>
>>>> Try with an official VM.
>>>>
>>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>> I tried with a fresh Squeak 4.2 10548 upgraded to 10788 running on Squeak 4.2.4beta1U.app from the Squeak4.1-mac.zip 4.1 release, and it doesn't seem to be any different. Did the tests before saving.
>>> cmd-leftclick shows mouseDown CMD blue
>>> cntl-cmd leftclick shows mouseDown CMD red
>>
>>Do *not* press cmd. Press the blue button directly. It's the middle or right button on your mouse. Make sure you do not run fancy mouse management software, or set it so it actually generates a middle-click event (Logitech Control Center is a known offender). You need to make sure your mouse actually works correctly because otherwise Squeak will not get the right events no matter how hard it tries.
>>
>>- Bert -
>
>This does not compute to me.
>I don't have a blue button, how do I get it to have blue directly?
>What is the key code equivalent that needs to be sent?
>
>Ken

> At 8:34 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>> At 7:28 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>>
>>> Do *not* press cmd. Press the blue button directly. It's the middle or right button on your mouse. Make sure you do not run fancy mouse management software, or set it so it actually generates a middle-click event (Logitech Control Center is a known offender). You need to make sure your mouse actually works correctly because otherwise Squeak will not get the right events no matter how hard it tries.
>>>
>>> - Bert -
>>
>> This does not compute to me.
>> I don't have a blue button, how do I get it to have blue directly?
>> What is the key code equivalent that needs to be sent?
>>
>> Ken
>
> According to <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897>, cmd-mouse is supposed to be the blue button.
>
> Ken

>On 14.12.2010, at 19:40, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>
>> At 8:34 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>> At 7:28 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do *not* press cmd. Press the blue button directly. It's the middle or right button on your mouse. Make sure you do not run fancy mouse management software, or set it so it actually generates a middle-click event (Logitech Control Center is a known offender). You need to make sure your mouse actually works correctly because otherwise Squeak will not get the right events no matter how hard it tries.
>>>>
>>>> - Bert -
>>>
>>> This does not compute to me.
>>> I don't have a blue button, how do I get it to have blue directly?
>>> What is the key code equivalent that needs to be sent?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>> According to <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897>, cmd-mouse is supposed to be the blue button.
>>
>> Ken
>
>I give up. You are not reading what Chris or I write. Read the whole thread again and try to pretend we actually mean what we write, and that John also had good reasons to add those options to the VM's Info.plist.
>
>- Bert -

>At 7:52 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>On 14.12.2010, at 19:40, Ken G. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> At 8:34 PM -0700 12/14/10, Ken G. Brown apparently wrote:
>>>> At 7:28 PM -0800 12/14/10, Bert Freudenberg apparently wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do *not* press cmd. Press the blue button directly. It's the middle or right button on your mouse. Make sure you do not run fancy mouse management software, or set it so it actually generates a middle-click event (Logitech Control Center is a known offender). You need to make sure your mouse actually works correctly because otherwise Squeak will not get the right events no matter how hard it tries.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Bert -
>>>>
>>>> This does not compute to me.
>>>> I don't have a blue button, how do I get it to have blue directly?
>>>> What is the key code equivalent that needs to be sent?
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>
>>> According to <http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/897>, cmd-mouse is supposed to be the blue button.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>
>>I give up. You are not reading what Chris or I write. Read the whole thread again and try to pretend we actually mean what we write, and that John also had good reasons to add those options to the VM's Info.plist.
>>
>>- Bert -
>
>I am of course reading exactly what you said, the instructions were either not applying because i do not have a three button mouse, or a trackpad and  whatever I was trying was not working.
>
>I finally found a setting in the TrackBall button setting for Right Click whatever that sends, and that performs as a blue button to bring up the halos.
>Holding the cntl down when hitting the button sending Right Click works finally for resizing.
>
>WHERAS having the button do cmd-click like the wiki docs say are equivalent to the blue button, works to bring up the halos but DOES NOT work when holding the cntl down to perform the resizing.
>
>Ken