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8 August, 2011 4:31 AM

The question was about the NDA for the vw-dev program, not the license
for the normal "vwnc" download / trade fair CDs. Maybe Maarten just
posted to the wrong list by mistake. 

Alan posted the vw-dev NDA PDF to the vw-dev list 4th Aug 19:52 UTC, so
I'm not quite sure what Maarten's mention of Sribd (Scribd?) refers to.

Steve

James Robertson wrote 8th Aug 2011 5:22

Well, to the outside person sitting in front of a monitor, the license
on the website is the license - if it's not, why on earth is it there
at all?

As to not "passing the download on", that's just silly.  If that's the
case, then there should never be CD's handed out at trade shows.

On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Niall Ross wrote:

Dear James and Maarten,
  IIUC, the licence James' pointed you at applies to the non-

commercial edition, not the download edition.

The VW 7.8 edition that is downloadable from the website - called

the

download version to distinguish it from non-commercial editions of VW

-

comes with a different licence. The text is in the product and also
here.

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/ip/downloadtandc.html

The main difference, AFAICT, is that, for the basic license, you

should not pass on the download edition to anyone, instead send them

to

the website to download it themselves.  The intent is evidently to

have

a full record of who has downloaded.  (The extended license offers
exceptions to those who are in the Cincom academic programme or
similar.)

HTH
              Yours faithfully
                      Niall Ross

Try this link, which is straight off their download link pages:

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/developer-community/trying-

cincom-smalltalk/nc-license-agreement/

On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Maarten MOSTERT wrote:

Hi,

Is there any reason that I need to take a 9$/month subscription to

Sribd in order just to download Cincoms Non Disclosure Agreeent.

Something I allready signed many moons ago, but anyway.

If anyone has ordinary PDF file I am a taker in order to get fedex

provide me with the latest dev releases.

Regards,

Maarten,
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Well, to the outside person sitting in front of a monitor, the license on the website is the license - if it's not, why on earth is it there at all?

As to not "passing the download on", that's just silly. If that's the case, then there should never be CD's handed out at trade shows.

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7 August, 2011 3:47 PM

Dear James and Maarten,
IIUC, the licence James' pointed you at applies to the
non-commercial edition, not the download edition.

The VW 7.8 edition that is downloadable from the website - called the
download version to distinguish it from non-commercial editions of VW -
comes with a different licence. The text is in the product and also here.

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/ip/downloadtandc.html

The main difference, AFAICT, is that, for the basic license, you should
not pass on the download edition to anyone, instead send them to the
website to download it themselves. The intent is evidently to have a
full record of who has downloaded. (The extended license offers
exceptions to those who are in the Cincom academic programme or similar.)

HTH
Yours faithfully
Niall Ross

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7 August, 2011 3:26 PM

Try this link, which is straight off their download link pages:

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/developer-community/trying-cincom-smalltalk/nc-license-agreement/

James Robertson

http://www.jarober.com

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7 August, 2011 1:36 PM

Hi,

Is there any reason that I need to take a 9$/month subscription to Sribd in order just to download Cincoms Non Disclosure Agreeent.
Something I allready signed many moons ago, but anyway.

If anyone has ordinary PDF file I am a taker in order to get fedex provide me with the latest dev releases.

Regards,

Maarten,
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8 August, 2011 4:54 PM

Dear Alan,

Well when this person is at it, please let him now that I did find another NDA for the dev list over here:   http://parcplace.net/enroll-nda.html

It is different from the scribed one, but if it is ok to sign this one I'll do that.

As I was cleaning up things anyway please notice that I didn't find the place where to get a subscription to the NC list, neither to unsubscribe (I just wanted to swap mail addresses).  Should be a good thing that the list is easily accessible from the main website.

Regards,

@+Maarten,

PS; Nial, Did you actually roll out the Orange Carpet for VW 7.8 ? ?

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8 August, 2011 9:27 AM

On the cincomsmalltalk web site for many PDF documents it links to scribd, which lets you view them quickly page by page, search without downloading the whole thing, and so forth, but which obnoxiously requires a membership in order to actually let you download or print them. We normally also have a link to just download the full PDF, but that doesn't seem to be the case for the vw-dev NDA. I've passed that along to the appropriate people, so it should get fixed. For a short document like that, the benefit something like scribd provides is awfully low.

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8 August, 2011 4:31 AM

The question was about the NDA for the vw-dev program, not the license
for the normal "vwnc" download / trade fair CDs. Maybe Maarten just
posted to the wrong list by mistake. 

Alan posted the vw-dev NDA PDF to the vw-dev list 4th Aug 19:52 UTC, so
I'm not quite sure what Maarten's mention of Sribd (Scribd?) refers to.

Steve

James Robertson wrote 8th Aug 2011 5:22

Well, to the outside person sitting in front of a monitor, the license
on the website is the license - if it's not, why on earth is it there
at all?

As to not "passing the download on", that's just silly.  If that's the
case, then there should never be CD's handed out at trade shows.

On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Niall Ross wrote:

Dear James and Maarten,
  IIUC, the licence James' pointed you at applies to the non-

commercial edition, not the download edition.

The VW 7.8 edition that is downloadable from the website - called

the

download version to distinguish it from non-commercial editions of VW

-

comes with a different licence. The text is in the product and also
here.

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/ip/downloadtandc.html

The main difference, AFAICT, is that, for the basic license, you

should not pass on the download edition to anyone, instead send them

to

the website to download it themselves.  The intent is evidently to

have

a full record of who has downloaded.  (The extended license offers
exceptions to those who are in the Cincom academic programme or
similar.)

HTH
              Yours faithfully
                      Niall Ross

Try this link, which is straight off their download link pages:

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/developer-community/trying-

cincom-smalltalk/nc-license-agreement/

On Aug 7, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Maarten MOSTERT wrote:

Hi,

Is there any reason that I need to take a 9$/month subscription to

Sribd in order just to download Cincoms Non Disclosure Agreeent.

Something I allready signed many moons ago, but anyway.

If anyone has ordinary PDF file I am a taker in order to get fedex

provide me with the latest dev releases.

Regards,

Maarten,
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7 August, 2011 10:22 PM

Well, to the outside person sitting in front of a monitor, the license on the website is the license - if it's not, why on earth is it there at all?

As to not "passing the download on", that's just silly. If that's the case, then there should never be CD's handed out at trade shows.

James Robertson
http://www.jarober.com
[hidden email]




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7 August, 2011 3:47 PM

Dear James and Maarten,
IIUC, the licence James' pointed you at applies to the
non-commercial edition, not the download edition.

The VW 7.8 edition that is downloadable from the website - called the
download version to distinguish it from non-commercial editions of VW -
comes with a different licence. The text is in the product and also here.

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/ip/downloadtandc.html

The main difference, AFAICT, is that, for the basic license, you should
not pass on the download edition to anyone, instead send them to the
website to download it themselves. The intent is evidently to have a
full record of who has downloaded. (The extended license offers
exceptions to those who are in the Cincom academic programme or similar.)

HTH
Yours faithfully
Niall Ross

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